Entirely predictable. I see we’re also back to where Anthony Barry is running the showOriginally Posted by Razors left peg
It’s all about results, until we get one.
For the record we weren’t great for long spells tonight, I think everyone recognises that. It was one of those games when we just needed to get the breakthrough and then the game changed. It could all have gone wrong of course, if Bazunu hadn’t made his saves, or if the ref hadn’t disallowed their goal, but those are the breaks Kenny hasn’t been getting up to now, so I’d say he was due one.
Out for a spell, got neglected, lay on the bench unselected.
Where’s Wally?
Well done Kenny ,sent out a team intent on winning the game playing out from the back giving players the confidence and trust to do it ,a clean sheet away from home ,3 goals two of which were absolute class efforts.ya the team had a few scares but before those should have an obvious pen which would have put them on the front foot.We have been crying out for a manager to have our int team play the passing game, play attractive entertaining football and Kenny has shown he has the b--lls to give it a go so so called pundits and bitter ...fans... should stop the whinging and get behind the man.
Caomhin Kelleher must also be watching and thinking.. I could be Liverpools number 1 for years.. and not get a sniff of a cap, while League One players are racking them up
Was also brilliant to hear Kenny talk about knowing about Jason Knights character and ability from being with the 21's.. makes you feel there's now a consistency and continuity between the different levels in the Irish game.. for every u21 squad you only need 1-2 players a year breaking through, and you're consistently refreshing your senior squad with 4-8 new players per tournament cycle
Looking across European football.. are there 24 teams there that we shouldn't be capable of beating if we play to our ability? Thats Euros level qualification.
By 2030 the WC will be expanded to 48 teams.. giving many of these players a shot at a WC by then
And lay off Idah and Connolly.. they're kids ffs.. Ogbene was playing for Cork City and Limerick at 19-21.. Idah and Connolly are trying to break into a Premier league team at the same age.. give them a chance. Obafemi too.
Great Post. We have not made idah one chance so far in his career yet, the lad just needs to get an actual chance and he will take it. We very rarely get the quality of idah or connolly or obafemi or parrott coming through so people need to appreciate that and as you say give them a chance.
The other reason the FAI wont get rid of Kenny.. and they shouldnt, is because increasingly the Irish public like him.
Outside if the odd backs to the wall fluke wins in the last two decades or so, we haven't ever come close to beating "the big 10-12" teams.. we're always drawing against them at home and getting mixtures of draws/close defeats against them away. Remove the two aberrations against Luxembourg and Azerbaijan earlier this year, and we're back doing that.
If we played both again next month in Dublin, we'd fancy beating them handy enough this time, wouldn't we.
Really enjoyed the game. Highlights: Bazunu's save, the pzazz of the last two goals, Knight's immediate impact. Ogbene is really likeable, delighted he scored. Team as a whole is easy to get behind. Good times.
Jittery starts to both the first and second halves, and not our best performance of the campaign. But we were in the ascendancy for large portions of the game (+55% possession, double their shot count, greater number of passes, greater pass accuracy) against a motivated home team and were deserving comfortable winners. It is evident that the team is well-coached, the players are responding to that, and we are progressing towards getting the collective best out of the players available to us. There is genuine reason for optimism going forward.
And, judging by comments coming out of their camp, we did world football a favour by putting Luxembourg back in their little box.
re Ogbene. Rotherham is his level, lots of pace but a poor first touch and no eye for a pass. Just because we want him to be good doesn't make it so. I'd love to be wrong here
Still tinkering with formation against a poor Luxembourg side, got lucky not to be a goal down before we scored, and we can't simply ignore the first 65 mins last night lads.
Last 20 mins was brilliant, but its a 90 minute game
On the positives for kenny. The players love him and will give the etc bit for him. He is an incredibly likeable guy it has to be said.
Something something tedious negative whingeing...
we've come away from plenty of other recent away games against teams categorised as "poor" with scrappy one nils or draws. in our last two away games we have come away with two 3 nil wins. neither were perfect performances, but who are we to be picky with the performance? Despite the criticism of the first 60 mins, their GK still had to pull off at least 3 decent saves. The idah pen was stone wall.
this is as good as its ever been for us against similar away opposition. a very good nights work imo.
cant lose sight of the fact that they have two players who have played in the champions league. they were also well up for it with their new stadium being opened and the chance of their best ever wc qualification performance. i thought they were quite competent at times. definitely one of the better lower ranked teams around
TBF Ogbene isn't a striker, and looks a bit lost there. He starts out on the right for Rotherham, and is always looking to get out wide even for Ireland. I'm sure he'd love a Niall Quinn-esque forward to swing crosses in for.
3-0 away wins are like buses: they don’t come along too often, now we’ve had two in a row.
Objectively speaking it wasn’t a great performance. The first 15 minutes of the second half was brutal and we really could/should have been behind. But we weren’t.
I thought we had some really good spells in the first half with Ogbene being the main danger. Robinson was uncharacteristically sloppy but I can’t help feeling that Idah was the weak link in the attacking 3. He was ineffective, indecisive and utterly unable to impose himself. I think Ogbene and Robinson suffered from his inability to impose himself and take up good positions, to occupy Luxembourg’s defenders and take them out of position etc. As Babb said on Sky afterwards Idah needs to be playing men’s football week in, week out to continue to develop as he’s just not ready for this level yet. Should Kenny know he’s not ready? By this stage I’d say yes, and to that end I’d label it a selection mistake.
McClean was busy and industrious but at times I felt that he took more out of the play than he brought to it. I think I still prefer a natural left back like Stevens. So on those two counts I’d be critical of the selection, and also it was evident even in the recent better performances that Cullen and Hendrick had to do a lot of work as a 2 man midfield.
After 10-15 minutes of the second half I told my WhatsApp mates Kenny’s in-game management is really being tested now. I thought myself that McGrath for Idah was needed but nobody can argue that what Kenny did changed the game and won it for us, and convincingly in the end. Knight’s influence was immediate and decisive.
Overall, I love what Cullen brings to the side. Doherty was proactive all night. Coleman and Duffy weren’t as good as in recent games but did the right things at the key times for the most part. Egan solid except for one error. Hendrick was noticeably better after Knight came on, and the same can be said for Robinson and Ogbene.
Bazunu. What to say?
We rode our luck not to be 1 down but in all honesty, in real time I was expecting the ref to blow for the foul on Duffy. It was soft, probably a bit softer than the Keane foul on Patricio, but it’s what you expect to be given – as I say, in real time. Equally I think you can say we probably should have had a penalty for a barge on Idah. Key moments and good/bad luck change games, we all know that. The chance they fluffed (after a stray Duffy pass?) that Bazunu saved was similar in a way to the goal that Finland scored against us – in each game.
So, marking Kenny’s scorecard: our selection didn’t help but the substitution changed the game. Overall, I thought we had far more good moments than in comparable games down the years. The possession numbers and chances created numbers were both good. Objectively the quality was good but only intermittently. We moved the ball well for about 60 minutes of the 90, scored two lovely goals (kudos to McClean for the third) and scored another crucial set piece goal when it mattered.
I’m enjoying watching this team and seeing these players develop. Ogbene’s attitude melts my heart and Bazunu is one of the finest young men you could imagine. It’s abundantly evident that the way we develop play now is becoming ingrained into the team’s nature and how we develop play is more courageous, sophisticated and effective than almost at any time watching Ireland outside the purple patch of the late 80s, early 90s and the better parts of Mick part 1 – all spells when we had better players.
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In many ways that was a prototypical Kenny game. He's never been afraid to take chances and set up a team to go and try to win a game comprehensively. He backs his players and believes they'll deliver. The formation was a risk with a centre forward replacing an attacking midfielder, it was a show of intent and ambition, Kenny admitted that the game was loose and open after the game, but it was also clear he knew that was likely to happen, he wanted a bit of chaos, probably because we've struggled at times when it's been too clean and a bit turgid. It was a huge risk, a draw probably would have kept him in the job anyway, but he desperately wanted the win and risked it all. I'd have probably preferred a switch to 4 at the back myself, but I guess there was a bit of fear around the pace of the Luxembourg forwards.
There was a poor start but after the first 7 or 8 minutes we were clearly the better side in the first half, the Bazunu save was magnificent, but we had more and better opportunities at the other end just let down by poor positioning. The second half was wild from the start and we lost our discipline, trying to force passes from the back got us caught a few times and it got jittery. We still had 2/3 chances in the first 7 minutes of the half, but we definitely looked like conceding too. Management responded perfectly. Knight replacing Idah, added a body in the middle and immediately cut out the space for them to play. Robinson got more central and Ogbene was able to push right up on their last man. Knight also had the energy to burst forward and the skill to create which were the winning of the game. It was a hugely positive finish to the match and a boost going into the next phase of development for this squad.
I'm still a huge fan of Idah, and I think he'll be a key player for the next decade, but he needs football and a bit of confidence at the moment. He was good off the bench against Portugal, but struggled a bit last night, he has all the attributes to be a top class centre forward and he's still very young for a player of his style. I wouldn't be writing off any of Idah, Connolly, Parrot or Obafemi as genuine options, hopefully at least one of them will really catch fire in the next year or two and they'll come back into the team, not only confident but already having valuable international experience in their back pocket. In the meantime, hopefully Robinson keeps getting a game and maybe Hogan can come back into contention or Will Keane can be a genuine option.
Overall, I think there was about 20 to 25 mins of fairly poor football last night but we were the better team for the other 65-70 minutes. It did have the feel of a game where both sides were a tiny bit fragile and the first goal was going to decide the game. For once, a bit of luck went with Kenny and it was comprehensive by the final whistle. There's exciting times ahead for this squad and it's rarely going to be dull.
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I think his first touch is not bad. I think the eye for a pass bit is difficult to be conclusive on. He did well getting in behind Luxembourg a couple of times in the first half but didn't manage to get the pull back or the cross off. Maybe it was movement in the box or lack thereof (nobody else on the Irish team managed to find Adam Idah in the box last night) or maybe it was poor execution or maybe it was, indeed, not having the eye for a pass.
"Just because we want him to be good doesn't make it so"- this makes no sense. For Ireland, he has been good in almost every game he has played. He has been good against Luxembourg. He has been good against Portugal. He has 2 international goals in 5 games.
His numbers at club level speak for themselves. He clearly has areas to improve on to make an impact at that level which is only League One- final ball is definitely the main one. There's a piece whereby Kenny has managed to get the best out of him - he's done the same with Duffy and Hendrick but those lads have plenty Premiership experience under their belts. Is there a piece whereby his League One manager at Rotherham needs to get more out of him? Is the coaching there good enough or specific enough to improve the areas that need improving?
Might he be like Elbouzedi and could have a better impact outside of the traditional English football pyramid?
I've one other "tedious" thing to say! When we went 1-0 up, we went for the kill as apposed to sitting back ....that I do love
No question that is 10/10 stuff for me
As we are talking about Ogbene, I think this is his best attribute as a footballer. He’s a willing runner, good in the air, direct and fast but it is the attitude – no ego, 100% effort, smile on his face, and clearly loving it all. That positive attitude is infectious and brilliant for building and rallying a team.
Curates egg of a game. Good result in the end, but we were awful for long periods of the game.
Had the referee given their perfectly good goal, I suspect we would have lost 1-0, but we went down the pitch and scored almost immediately.
It will be easier for the naysayers to say that was lucky, but if all referee decisions were correct we would have beaten Portugal last week, so that's a swings and roundabout situation for me.
Kenny gets to keep his job. The players and fans like him, but in finishing above Luxembourg on goal difference he has achieved only the bare minimum, which he only gets away with because of the overhaul he has done with the squad. The Euro's campaign has to be better than this or he won't get to the end of it.
Bring Back Belfast Celtic F.C.
Interesting. If we had won those games and held on inn Portugal we would be in the playoffs now.
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