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    Quote Originally Posted by patsdad View Post
    God save us from amateur lawyers.

    Football manager contracts are specifically designed to prevent a manager “walking out for a better job”. Why else do you think that compensation is regularly paid, as Pats have done in relation to Clancy?
    And I've said that compensation may have to be agreed or decided by arbitration.

    But what are Pats going to do to stop him taking over at Dundalk tomorrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by total hoofball View Post
    If SOD is still under contract and if Pats don't accept his resignation they have then backed themselves into a corner with two managers/head coaches and their salaries now under contract, there is always a risk Dundalk could walk away from it all and appoint someone else
    And thats never been done in LoI before... ironically one of the reasons Dundalk could afford to approach Stephen Kenny is that he was still getting part of his gardening leave pay from Rovers so helped soften what was step backward with the wreck the club was in after a previous owner and new owners wanting and getting their man and its was a reasonably good match up in the end - history repeating itself would be fine with me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    And I've said that compensation may have to be agreed or decided by arbitration.

    But what are Pats going to do to stop him taking over at Dundalk tomorrow?
    The better question is whether Dundalk would be willing to take the chance on appointing him while he’s under contract at Pats. But we’ll soon see, I have no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patsdad View Post
    Pats bought out his contract.
    Is there a 14 day cooling off period for panic buys of additions to coaching teams? Almost a full 2 year contract even PT wouldnt have been small change. Now if someone had had a quiet word with Clancy and he put in his resignation from Drogheda........

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    He had a clause in his contract allowing him to leave for a certain amount. €10k I think I read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longfordian View Post
    He had a clause in his contract allowing him to leave for a certain amount. €10k I think I read.
    Which Pats paid, allowing him to leave.
    I’m sure Pats have a figure in mind to agree O’Donnell’s release. Dundalk can either pay that now and get him announced; or announce him and end up paying damages on top of the compensation. Plus have the details of what he and they were up to in recent weeks aired in court. Their call. As I said, we’ll soon see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    And thats never been done in LoI before... ironically one of the reasons Dundalk could afford to approach Stephen Kenny is that he was still getting part of his gardening leave pay from Rovers so helped soften what was step backward with the wreck the club was in after a previous owner and new owners wanting and getting their man and its was a reasonably good match up in the end - history repeating itself would be fine with me!
    For the record once Kenny signed up with you , from that day Rovers ceased paying him….

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    Quote Originally Posted by patsdad View Post
    Which Pats paid, allowing him to leave.
    I’m sure Pats have a figure in mind to agree O’Donnell’s release. Dundalk can either pay that now and get him announced; or announce him and end up paying damages on top of the compensation. Plus have the details of what he and they were up to in recent weeks aired in court. Their call. As I said, we’ll soon see.
    So not small change to sign a PT manager. It will also cost his contract at St Pats for whatever thats worth. As has been said this will in all likelihood fizzle out and go away with some convoluted agreement with the kind of carefully worded amicable statements we have seen - usual stuff wishing each other well through gritted teeth but really just want to get it over and done with. St Pats will claim the moral victory and be facilitated to do so. Probably undisclosed fee stuff that many will claim to know and will range from token amounts from Dundalk fans to daft amounts by Pats fans. Neither will know the figure if there actually is ever one.

    While it would be a pain if it goes to court then at least there will be an end to the more ludicrous stuff claimed. This type of dispute could be lobbed over to CAS by the judiciary here too if its between the clubs on compensation. It is not an expensive process in itself but the legal teams that each party would likely employ would be (all those possible trips abroad), more than any compensation involved here and there are no odds on winners with CAS, their costs are set but they dont order 'personal' cost to be payed iirc. if there are grey areas at all they tend to push things to their mediation process more these days rather than make a binding ruling straight up. The Irish football arbitrators were Gareth Farrelly and Stuart Gilhooly.....if they still are would they lean toward a former player/PFAI member/manager in a contract dispute with a club? - if its not a slam dunk, it rarely is, its rolling the dice.

    Maybe the quiet party are the ones who have their ducks lined up, they have been planning things for weeks after all, others scrambling a defence and coming up with the panic contingency, a manager that Dundalk were told hands off by the club and that manager reaffirming his committment to his club publicly, with the 2 yr contract announced prior. The committment made lasted a few days when he was offered a better job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calcio Jack View Post
    For the record once Kenny signed up with you , from that day Rovers ceased paying him….
    Of course they did.... after a final payment amount was agreed. Clubs do at times do their due diligence and allow the decks get cleared of old baggage.

    Carefully worded there too CJ, must be catching!
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    Being an employee is not the same as being in a contract.
    if sod is in breach of his contract (which I have no idea of)then pats can sue him.
    i can’t remember the Guys name but a Chelsea player who took cocaine was sacked by them and then sued for millions .

    like all these scenarios it willl be settled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    Being an employee is not the same as being in a contract.
    if sod is in breach of his contract (which I have no idea of)then pats can sue him.
    i can’t remember the Guys name but a Chelsea player who took cocaine was sacked by them and then sued for millions .

    like all these scenarios it willl be settled.
    Adrian Mutu I think it was!
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    Adrian Mutu probably. Makes sense that contracts are not totally pointless and so the subtle difference is between an employee and contracted eh worker.

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    Barry McNamee has re signed for Harps. All is good in the world.

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    Mutu is still on the line to pay that money too isn't he? €17 million or so? The European Court of Human Rights was one of a few to reject his appeal. Tread carefully SOD, tread carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadloserkid View Post
    Mutu is still on the line to pay that money too isn't he? €17 million or so? The European Court of Human Rights was one of a few to reject his appeal. Tread carefully SOD, tread carefully.
    Chelsea claimed that 17mil in 2005 and Mutu not a cent yet paid, the ECHR only threw out the umpteenth appeal in 2018. Cobh Ramblers could be double winners and Finn Harps in their new ground in that 13-16 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    like all these scenarios it willl be settled.
    This is it. Pat's clearly don't want SOD (or at least, they really shouldn't at this stage), Dundalk presumably do, so just agree compensation and be done with it. It's licensing season, so not as if Dundalk can refuse to pay any agreed sum.

    You would imagine if SOD resigns and then refuses to, say, take coaching or get involved in new contracts at Pat's, then he's in breach of his contact there, so he probably is calling a bit of bluff. Can Pat's refuse to pay him while he's refusing to fulfil the terms of his contract? All nice and messy.

    But much and all as SOD isn't coming out of this well at all, yeah, the best thing for everyone is just to settle and move on. And if the Dundalk board are on to him in the meantime about players, or agree they'll add a tenner a week to his contract to cover the time until the deal is agreed, probably not much Pat's can do about it.

    The more interesting question is backroom staff - is SOD likely to try take Mathews from Pat's? Do either Pat's or Dundalk really care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    This is it. Pat's clearly don't want SOD (or at least, they really shouldn't at this stage), Dundalk presumably do, so just agree compensation and be done with it. It's licensing season, so not as if Dundalk can refuse to pay any agreed sum.

    You would imagine if SOD resigns and then refuses to, say, take coaching or get involved in new contracts at Pat's, then he's in breach of his contact there, so he probably is calling a bit of bluff. Can Pat's refuse to pay him while he's refusing to fulfil the terms of his contract? All nice and messy.

    But much and all as SOD isn't coming out of this well at all, yeah, the best thing for everyone is just to settle and move on. And if the Dundalk board are on to him in the meantime about players, or agree they'll add a tenner a week to his contract to cover the time until the deal is agreed, probably not much Pat's can do about it.

    The more interesting question is backroom staff - is SOD likely to try take Mathews from Pat's? Do either Pat's or Dundalk really care?
    Mathews is or was on the board previous to taking up the job as manager last year.

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    Sounds like that'd make it less likely he'd leave alright. One less messy strand to tie up

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    This is it. Pat's clearly don't want SOD (or at least, they really shouldn't at this stage), Dundalk presumably do, so just agree compensation and be done with it. It's licensing season, so not as if Dundalk can refuse to pay any agreed sum.

    You would imagine if SOD resigns and then refuses to, say, take coaching or get involved in new contracts at Pat's, then he's in breach of his contact there, so he probably is calling a bit of bluff. Can Pat's refuse to pay him while he's refusing to fulfil the terms of his contract? All nice and messy.

    But much and all as SOD isn't coming out of this well at all, yeah, the best thing for everyone is just to settle and move on. And if the Dundalk board are on to him in the meantime about players, or agree they'll add a tenner a week to his contract to cover the time until the deal is agreed, probably not much Pat's can do about it.

    The more interesting question is backroom staff - is SOD likely to try take Mathews from Pat's? Do either Pat's or Dundalk really care?
    Pats most definitely don’t want O’Donnell now. The only thing left is the question of compensation. A deal will obviously be done. I wonder how Dundalk will be feeling though if SOD represented to them that he was a free agent, and that turns out not to be the case. Dundalk welcome to him in any event.

    As for Alan Matthews, he is on the board, as mentioned, so unlikely to be going anywhere, not that I’d be heartbroken if he was. I don’t know if MClancy has his badges, hopefully he has, so there is no need for this fiction of who is in charge. Funniest rumour is that Staunton is part of the ticket as the “gaffer” at Dundalk. Can’t see it being true, but here’s hoping !
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    Clancy is only down on linkedin as a Pro candidate but has the A licence. What's the requirement the A or the Pro ?

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