Alisson was going to play in any case, he's the FA Cup keeper. Kelleher was only down for the Carabao Cup this season (as well as being second choice when Alisson is unavailable).Originally Posted by elatedscum
Yeah even Klopp said it mid week Alisson would be starting, though with him also starting the last FA Cup game there wasn't any doubt of him not starting again unless not fit.
Andy Robertson has covid, so chances are Kelleher could have been missing due to covid. Whether he has it or was a close contact.
I think Alisson said it on Friday at his press conference but it’s very possible he already knew the covid situation at that point. He played Kelleher against Shrewsbury and Cardiff and you’d think Forest are in the same bracket of opposition. He didn’t play him against Norwich but at the time he said that was to give Kelleher a mental break after winning the final, three days earlier.
Anyway, who knows, just with Alisson jetting off with brazil now and given the opposition and lack of games for Kelleher, I don’t see Klopp starting Alisson if both were fit…
I know what he said but he’s been really conscious to skirt around confirming if players have covid in recent weeks
Kelleher was fine yesterday as you’d expect given his obvious comfort at a high level in club football.
No chance with second goal and did well under a high ball where he collided with a teammate. Very composed receiving back passes which is important given how we play now.
Nitpicking, and genuinely not stirring given previous sensitivities on this thread, but I honestly think Bazunu saves Batshuayi’s shot! My real time reaction was to expect a fingertip to the ball and I was surprised to see it go in.
Last week a pal and I were discussing the recent Bazunu free kick save that was doing the rounds on Twitter. I said “good save”, he said “but you’d be asking questions if it went in” (it was well hit but fairly central). I felt both views were right. Yesterday was similar: it’d have been a very good save if he’d made it but I do just think Randolph or Bazunu would have saved it, with a bigger stretch of the lower arm. As said before but in a different context, Kelleher doesn’t look as big in the goal. I expect I’ll be told I’m being too harsh!
I agree completely, my instant reaction when I happened was I expected him to save it.
This is gonna sound harsh but there's something about Kelleher that turns me off him a bit. To me he just seems far too casual. When the 2nd goal went in he just stood there with his arms by his side. I'd like my keeper to bawl out the defenders or something for allowing a free header.
To be honest I can't even put my finger on why I just don't rate him and I hope I'm proven wrong. I'm also genuinely not trying to stir things. Better people than me like Klopp and Kenny think very highly of him so chances are I am wrong.... but I still think there's something about his attitude that will keep him from being a top goalkeeper
The goal is here, for reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccermirro..._batshuayi_12/
I find it hard to judge, but it's certainly possible.
To be fair to Kelleher the shot was taken really quickly. It was a lovely finish. I think he may have lined up a little too far to his near post if anything but I'd blame Coleman there I think. Michi turning inside him so easily was sad to see. If anyone had saved it we'd be raving. Of course Bazunu isnt just anyone.....
Interestingly the consensus from all the commentators / pundits on Sky was that he had no chance with that shot, but what do the likes of McCarthy, Holland and Morrison know. It’s not as if they are seasoned international footballers. I think speculation about whether Bazunu might have saved it, is as pointless as speculating whether Kelleher would have saved the goals against Portugal. That was an incredible strike, took it early after beating Coleman. He had no time to set himself. Sometimes shots are genuinely not saveable and that was pretty close to being in that category.
So now he's been blamed for something that wasn't his fault. What good will bawling at his defenders do? The damage has already been done by then.
On the other one, Alisson has conceded those goals before, yet he gets to play every week. Maybe because the keeper isn't at fault for every goal that goes past him.
****ing myself at lads giving him stick for the 2nd goal. he moves to dive to his right and the deflection takes it to the opposite corner under the defender on the post. what in gods name is he ment to do? a fake dive to pretend hes gonna save it?
if you pause just before he cuts in kelleher still isnt set. looks to me like he expected coleman to deal with it. im no expert on gk positioning so ill leave the rest of it to ye.
I'm not blaming him for the 2nd goal. My criticism of him isn't particularly rational but to me he just seems too causal all the time, like he's just not bothered. It's more of a gut feeling, and I absolutely hope I'm proved wrong
Well, you clearly aren't keen on engaging in the spirit the original claim was made and very clearly made at that. Well done, pal. As a general rule too, listening to non-goalkeeper pundits talking about goalkeeping is a mixed bag at best.
I’d still respect their judgement above non-footballers (including myself).
Some I do, but I actually find the standards of most pundits awful. Most just spout tired old clichés and don't sound too intelligent. Micah Richard's is perfect example, just there for "banter"
That's what I saw too on the replay. His stance is that of a keeper when the ball's further up the pitch. I don't know if that's an error or just the way he's coached (and if the latter, I'd go with Liverpool coaches over me!)
I think it's harsh to criticise though. When your fullback lets the forward inside in the box so easily, and when the forward takes his shot so early, sometimes **** is going to happen
Agree with TP that "X would have saved it" is a bit pointless
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Shot from Batshuayi was excellent, and out of nothing, Coleman should have done better, but Kelleher was flat footed, even when Batshuayi turned inside, Kelleher isn't set for a shot, is caught on his heels, and totally unprepared for the shot.
For me, I don't think Bazunu gets caught out by it. It's definitely a case of Kelleher being a little too casual in his approach. That's something that comes with game time though, and a fairly damning reflection on his lack of game time, that he's not set for the shot there.
https://kesslereffect.bandcamp.com/album/kepler - New music. It's not that bad.
Kelleher is flat footed and not fully anticipating it. I’d expect Bazunu to be more on his toes and set. That said, give credit to the striker – the quick feet and shot needs to be applauded. The cut back touch and subsequent shot is so quick it looks like it’s in the same movement.
Coleman didn't cover himself in glory but the problem I’d have with the goal from our perspective is Duffy. Terrible pass, to nobody in particular, and played under no pressure. Do not know who he is playing the ball to; Hendrick? Knight? Robinson? Over the top to Ogbene?
Playing games would be great for Kelleher. Hard to beat it.
I don't think you can blame Kelleher too much for that one. It's one that, if he had saved it, you'd be thinking that's an amazing save.
Impossible to say whether Bazunu would have got there, or whether Travers' bigger frame might have made it oss to touch it around. The only thing I'd maybe say is that Bazunu's wondersave against Luxembourg was probably even better than this save would have been, he wasn't set and had to deal with a deflection, but still got it around the post.
In terms of the starting jersey for June it's a moot point anyway, Kelleher just can't be considered ahead of Bazunu unless he's playing regular football. And unless Alisson gets injured, he won't be.
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