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    Forgetting about sporting integrity and morals, heres My two cents:

    Early feeling is that the clubs have 'shot their load' too early. Everyone in the game between politicans to broadcasters to fans to football associations are against it. They have no public backing. Seems a very strategic mistake, there is just a wave of negetivity. By the time it starts (which we assume now is next september), the clubs will be in massive legl fights, Government possibly passing legislation against it , and months of propaganda from Sky and BT sports (who dont have the rights) against it.

    The competition has no tradition or integrity. Thats a mountain for any new tournament to overcome.

    As for going for emerging markets in India and China, having spent time in those countries, I think its fair to say that their sports culture works very differently to ours. I lived in Korea and travelled a bit, it was very rare to see any sports jerseys on kids (esp non local ones from high-schools). Football was always on t.v but was never a topic of conversation. At most, people were concerned with national team. These are super compeitive cultures (esp for children), there isnt much room to following sport teams from another continant for kids. Its not like Asian countires are having a massive baby boom either, and their populations are getting older. I just dont see the massive expansion for Super league clubs from the market. The only option is compete for a 'slice of the pie' of the English, Italian and Spanish leagues.I just dont see any inovation. Everyone has no option but to fight tooth and nail against it.

    (Obv, preaching to the choir here.... it also just seems boring..)

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    You wonder where Dublin Dons fit into the evolving story of football.

    It's 30 years now since the CL came into being and the game has changed hugely since then. OK, the same clubs are still there (more or less), but it's far less competitive and merging national leagues is now starting to properly be talked about.

    Where will it be in 30 years? Why shouldn't some rich American investor corp look to start a Dublin team playing out of Lansdowne Road in a franchise-based Atlantic League at some stage in the future? What would that mean for the LoI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Where will it be in 30 years? Why shouldn't some rich American investor corp look to start a Dublin team playing out of Lansdowne Road in a franchise-based Atlantic League at some stage in the future? What would that mean for the LoI?
    If that model beds in, it'll presumably hurt most leagues. The LoI might buck that trend by virtue of already being so ****e that it can hardly get worse.
    Vaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redobit View Post
    Whatever floats your boat but personally I think Harps are better than that.

    Act like you expect to be treated. Watched the McLoone man speaking about the new harps stadium ... really impressive. Now that would have been a proper response to all this super league crap.
    We communicate the community and volunteer aspects of the club constantly. There's no harm breaking it up with the odd bit of humour or opportunism, especially when the club tends to get relatively little coverage nationally so a bit of sark / attitude is justified too, but I totally get you have to be careful as well. When we have no shirt sponsor it's worth it to take an opportunistic one when it pops up- nice engagement numbers to show anyone interested in coming aboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    The flip side is will this start disenfranchising Irish Premier League fans sufficiently for them to start seeing the LoI as a more down-to-earth option; what the English First Division used to be?
    The problem here is that for a section of supporters in the north opposition to an all-island league isn't just about football. There are many there who will oppose it no matter what was involved, as it doesn't fit a world view in which they want the north to remain separate from the south in every way possible. You only have to look at their apocalyptic view of the Brexit Protocol, which actually gives NI a unique economic opportunity that places like Scotland would love, to understand that it would never be viewed solely through a footballing prism.
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    I don't expect this Super League to happen. It's just bullying tactics by the clubs. They've tried everything else up to now bar this, so have to ramp up the pressure to prove they're serious. A compromise will be reached in which they'll carve off yet another pound of flesh from the heart of football for themselves to gorge on. Until eventually of course the game has no heart left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    The problem here is that for a section of supporters in the north opposition to an all-island league isn't just about football. There are many there who will oppose it no matter what was involved, as it doesn't fit a world view in which they want the north to remain separate from the south in every way possible. You only have to look at their apocalyptic view of the Brexit Protocol, which actually gives NI a unique economic opportunity that places like Scotland would love, to understand that it would never be viewed solely through a footballing prism.
    I meant fans of the Premier League (Liverpool, Man Utd, etc) in Ireland, not fans of the Irish League.

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    Id say the Irish barstoolers would be happy enough to see their team playing in a SL from their spot on the couch.
    The odd trip away on a slightly longer flight isnt really an issue.
    If you live locally and only go to home matches then having AC Milan rock up instead of Burnley isnt a problem , the hard core fans that go to the away matches would be the big losers as it will become impossible economically.
    I dont think it will happen UEFA will cave and guarantee spots for big clubs in the CL rather than have a breakaway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    I meant fans of the Premier League (Liverpool, Man Utd, etc) in Ireland, not fans of the Irish League.
    The Super League is all about people like that though.

    It's for those 'fans' around the world who eschew their own domestic football to steal the reflected glory from a manufactured connection to 'their' team in a foreign county (with the focus of football firmly on such followers in Asia, Africa and the US these days, rather than the likes of Ireland and Norway). They're not going to suddenly grow a conscience because a mid-week League Cup game against Wycombe Wanderers has been swapped out of the calendar in favour of a Super League fixture against Barcelona. They're the very clapping seals that the fish are being throw to by the big clubs. And the vast majority will continue to lap it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    Id say the Irish barstoolers would be happy enough to see their team playing in a SL from their spot on the couch.
    The odd trip away on a slightly longer flight isnt really an issue.
    If you live locally and only go to home matches then having AC Milan rock up instead of Burnley isnt a problem , the hard core fans that go to the away matches would be the big losers as it will become impossible economically.
    I dont think it will happen UEFA will cave and guarantee spots for big clubs in the CL rather than have a breakaway.
    Apparently JP Morgan in their business case referred to actual football club fans as " legacy fans".

    From their experiences during Covid, the secessionist confederate clubs have realised that they don`t need fans in stadia to make money from TV rights, sponsorship and merchandise . Blue screen stadia with projected crowd atmosphere is where they see the future.
    Kind of surprising that they have so openly revealed themselves to be so unashamedly greedy.
    Still chuckling at Spurs self declaring themselves as a dominant European club. Clearly encouraging early results from that re-animation project using Danny Blanchflower and Jimmy Greaves DNA,

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    The Super League is all about people like that though.

    It's for those 'fans' around the world who eschew their own domestic football to steal the reflected glory from a manufactured connection to 'their' team in a foreign county. And the vast majority will continue to lap it up.
    Yes, but "the vast majority" still leaves for plenty of scope for the LoI to pick up a good few drop-offs. You can't generalise about an entire group of people the way you're doing.

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    "legacy fans" that's an excellent insight into how they perceive the fans.
    Small numbers when you consider the worldwide audience.
    Plus everyone is kidding themselves if they think that people wont turn up to watch Liverpool v Barcelona.
    For most of these clubs playing in front of full houses for most big games the hardcore/legacy fans can probably be replaced with more event junkies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    "legacy fans" that's an excellent insight into how they perceive the fans.
    Small numbers when you consider the worldwide audience.
    Plus everyone is kidding themselves if they think that people wont turn up to watch Liverpool v Barcelona.
    For most of these clubs playing in front of full houses for most big games the hardcore/legacy fans can probably be replaced with more event junkies.
    This is part of why a lot of clubs went with formalised ticket resale schemes for when season ticket holders couldn't use their seat. An empty seat represents lost income beyond the already-naked ticket money. And they realised that the casual attendees were spending significantly more at an average game than the season ticket holders were, who don't need to buy merchandise etc on every single visit.

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    My first thought was that it was bluffing to get a greater share of the CL pie, but with UEFA just releasing their new revamped CL structure (which looks bloody awful), it isn't that I suppose.

    UEFA already threatening players with bans from World Cup and Euro championships. It seems like everybody is going to come out against this hard and fast with the hope that the clubs just back down.

    A period of real brinkmanship could be on the cards.

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    Do UEFA/national leagues have the right to expel teams from their competitions over this? I imagine that's a legal quagmire. Same with the internationals issue. Are the English FA really going to show solidarity when FIFA/UEFA gut their national side?

    And it isn't like the FA's, their sponsors and various broadcast partners will actually want expel anyone either.

    The new CPL proposals do look dreadful, which is an under-noticed aspect of all this. Don't really see what kind of compromise could be reached at this point.

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    There seems to be a lot of lads tweeting LOI clubs saying that they'll start supporting them now. England's difficulties are Irelands opportunities!

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    I'm wondering what would happen if the EPL decided to expel the 'big 6' from the premier league starting from next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    Do UEFA/national leagues have the right to expel teams from their competitions over this? I imagine that's a legal quagmire. .
    Just on this. Struck me earlier that if it were to go the legal route and clubs challenge any exclusions from their own leagues, presumably they’d be using eu competition law ? (A la the Bosman case for example) But guess who is not subject to EU law anymore, thanks to Brexit

    I really hope, if it happens, that the National FAs have the balls to throw those clubs out of their leagues. I’ve heard a lot of comment this morning that the league needs the clubs more than the clubs need the league. I’m not so sure. How will Arsenal or Spurs fans feel after a few seasons finishing in or around the bottom of this new league, with no other trophies to play for ? Even if they do better than that, and say, finish 5th or 6th, well really, who cares.

    As a Pats supporter with only a passing interest in the English game now, I can’t say that it exercises me greatly. Our local teams will in all likelihood remain where they always were, but at least I can have realistic dreams of league titles and FAI cups (well one every fifty years at least )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucket View Post
    There seems to be a lot of lads tweeting LOI clubs saying that they'll start supporting them now. England's difficulties are Irelands opportunities!
    I won’t be holding my breath waiting for that tbh.
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    This will impact all European leagues.
    UEFA get big money from TV companies because the CL and EL have big clubs in them.
    If UEFA dont have the big bucks the money for EL etc will likely fall.
    If European money becomes much smaller it will undermine those clubs that are paying big wages on the basis of regular CL /EL money.
    At a local level taking the LOI if the prize for winning the league is buttons and European money is reduced it will have to have an impact on playing budgets.

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