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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    Not advocating for Kenny, but I hate these kind of threads. Never go full YBIG.
    We've not done that. Even Michael D is sitting in the Aras thinking about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia View Post
    Think we are already paying for him anyway
    Well, that's the point, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    Not advocating for Kenny, but I hate these kind of threads. Never go full YBIG.
    I'm not a fan of these threads either, but following the result against Luxembourg it's something the members of the forum want to discuss. Just keep the tone civil and reasoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirambler View Post
    Goodwin?
    Not a bad suggestion at all. He wouldn't be at all the best option, of course, but in terms of who we can realistically afford, he would be one of the more sensible options.

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    What I'd like to see is a manager who actually adjusts the tactics depending on the opposition.

    McCarthy, Kerr, Trap, O'Neill... all stuck stubbornly to the same gameplan no matter who we were playing.

    Kenny was the same. 4-3-3 every game, no matter what. Then gets called out for it and goes 3-5-2, which suits us when we are playing in a game where we might expect to play counter-aacks, like vs Serbia. But now it seems that 3-5-2 is the new formation we are playing no matter what. So we play 3-5-2 vs Luxembourg. Are we expecting to counterattack vs Luxembourg? 4-3-3 would have made sense against Luxembourg.

    Is it too much to ask for from a manager that they set up the team with the opponent in mind?

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    I know what you mean but he switched to 433 in the second half - Doherty came off for Brady - and it didn't seem to help.
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    He didn't switch the system though, he stuck with three at the back. Browne was just moved to RWB instead of Doherty. Even when Clark was replaced by McClean, Stevens just moved inside alongside Coleman and O'Shea, and McClean played LWB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brine3 View Post
    What I'd like to see is a manager who actually adjusts the tactics depending on the opposition.

    McCarthy, Kerr, Trap, O'Neill... all stuck stubbornly to the same gameplan no matter who we were playing.

    Kenny was the same. 4-3-3 every game, no matter what. Then gets called out for it and goes 3-5-2, which suits us when we are playing in a game where we might expect to play counter-aacks, like vs Serbia. But now it seems that 3-5-2 is the new formation we are playing no matter what. So we play 3-5-2 vs Luxembourg. Are we expecting to counterattack vs Luxembourg? 4-3-3 would have made sense against Luxembourg.

    Is it too much to ask for from a manager that they set up the team with the opponent in mind?
    3-5-2 should be counter attacking, but I pointed out after the serbia game, that we didn't utilise any runners, our play became static and we paused around midfield, like we did when hoofing it long of bygone managers, win the ball from an opposition corner/setpiece/dispossess player in our third, run to the halfway line and/or pass to the halfway line, turn around look for someone beside you or someone behind you. Rinse and Repeat. The 3-5-2 was not implemented the way you'd expect to see two pacey wingers bombing forward being picked out from the midfield and played through. Instead we saw all the negatives of a 3-5-2 where if you don't have a very solid couple of CBs and a midfield who can block off the "hole" you get punished. We got punished both days, it felt like Kenny was half a dozen of one thing not really sure what he was trying to implement.

    We're very negative in our "Possession" football. It's possession for possession sakes 95% of the time, its the short pass, easy option. Coleman was the only one who tried it, and Browne I think for Collins chance the lob into stepehens in space in the middle. Thats the only time we went for the harder, but better outcome option, all the other times it was the short 15 yard pass to the players closest. Bravery in possession means taking the braver option.
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    My Kingdom for a couple of Fast Wingers that can cross the Ball. Or Wing Backs that can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_oshea View Post
    3-5-2 should be counter attacking, but I pointed out after the serbia game, that we didn't utilise any runners, our play became static and we paused around midfield, like we did when hoofing it long of bygone managers, win the ball from an opposition corner/setpiece/dispossess player in our third, run to the halfway line and/or pass to the halfway line, turn around look for someone beside you or someone behind you. Rinse and Repeat. The 3-5-2 was not implemented the way you'd expect to see two pacey wingers bombing forward being picked out from the midfield and played through. Instead we saw all the negatives of a 3-5-2 where if you don't have a very solid couple of CBs and a midfield who can block off the "hole" you get punished. We got punished both days, it felt like Kenny was half a dozen of one thing not really sure what he was trying to implement.

    We're very negative in our "Possession" football. It's possession for possession sakes 95% of the time, its the short pass, easy option. Coleman was the only one who tried it, and Browne I think for Collins chance the lob into stepehens in space in the middle. Thats the only time we went for the harder, but better outcome option, all the other times it was the short 15 yard pass to the players closest. Bravery in possession means taking the braver option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
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    Might have been pointing out among more informed football folk outside of foot.ie

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAFC_rdfl View Post
    Might have been pointing out among more informed football folk outside of foot.ie
    Then he should be able to provide a link to prove it
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    A necessary evil in this case, I think.

    The FAI either have to change now. Or commit that Kenny is the man for the Euro24 campaign (unlikely).

    Otherwise there’s a further stagnation that’s going to be even harder to recover from.

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    Great idea. Get rid of Kenny and paper over the cracks that produced last night's result. All the managers from Stan to Kenny have enjoyed a considerable amount of success in their careers. And then, all of a sudden, they become 'clueless' once in the Irish hot seat. Something just doesn't add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark12345 View Post
    Great idea. Get rid of Kenny and paper over the cracks that produced last night's result. All the managers from Stan to Kenny have enjoyed a considerable amount of success in their careers. And then, all of a sudden, they become 'clueless' once in the Irish hot seat. Something just doesn't add up.
    Exacrly what successes had Stan in his career as a manager?
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    I say if the suits are gonna get rid of Kenny, this is the gap with some games by June/ July. I wouldnt because we are already in the dance floor we cant change horses in the middle of a stream

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish View Post
    I say if the suits are gonna get rid of Kenny, this is the gap with some games by June/ July. I wouldnt because we are already in the dance floor we cant change horses in the middle of a stream
    The thing is that Kenny is managing like a dancing horse in the stream !

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    I thought it might be interesting do I dug out the list of names suggested the last time we had a thread like this

    Mick McCarthy
    Thomas Tuchel
    Peter Bosz
    Ronald Koeman
    Mark Hughes
    Bernd Schuster
    Carlo Ancelotti
    Manuel Pellegrini
    Carlos Queiroz
    Guus Hiddink
    Louis Van Gaal
    Michael O'Neill
    John Sheridan
    Stephen Kenny
    Jurgen Klinsmann
    Laurent Blanc
    Luis Enrique
    Sven Goran Eriksson
    Thomas Schaaf
    Jean Tigana
    Paul Clement
    Sinisa Mihailjovic
    Alex McLeish
    Martin Jol
    Brian McDermott
    David O'Leary
    Glenn Hoddle
    Roberto Di Matteo
    Gary Monk
    Allardyce, Sam
    Bilic, Slaven
    Bruce, Steve
    Carsley, Lee
    Coleman, Chris
    Cook, Paul
    Grayson, Simon
    Hughton, Chris
    Keane, Robbie
    Keane, Roy
    Kenny, Stephen
    Kerr, Brian
    Lennon, Neil
    McCarthy, Mick
    Moyes, David
    Queiroz, Carlos
    Redknapp, Harry
    Wenger, Arsene

    I'm not sure we have the swing to get Carlo Ancelotti out of Goodison Park tbh
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    Some of the names on that list... we've been delusional about our status in world football for a long, long time...
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
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