QuoteSome more.
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dubli...garda-19543933
I also remember the brother of George Nhencho making extremely violent threats against the Gardaí = = Was he ever charged with threatening to kill Guards ? !
Some more.
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dubli...garda-19543933
I also remember the brother of George Nhencho making extremely violent threats against the Gardaí = = Was he ever charged with threatening to kill Guards ? !
That is a question of interpretation ~ ~ By the way some people ( ok, a small minority ) react to these situations ~ ~ The only conclusion that can be made is that they expect Guards to allow themselves to be, assaulted / injured / seriously injured / even murdered ~ ~ Other wise these small minorities would not be reacting in the way that they do.Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Even today a Politician is trying to make political capital out of this.
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/202...il-suspension/
Life is about about interpretations ~ ~ Even today in the Dáil a politicians is trying to make Political capital out of this wholly justified shooting ~ ~ Shame on him and the others that have done, and do the same.
Did people say (and are they still saying) some unwise or opportunistic things? Absolutely.
Was there anything that they said that would lead people to the 'only conclusion is that they expect Guards to allow themselves to be murdered'? Absolutely not.
Yeah, I'm not really sure what the exact point here is. I'm uncomfortable that people had marches about this at the time but there was nothing similar when Mark Hennessy was shot.
But I think those people are just thoughtlessly engaging in identity politics and don't actively think Gardaí should allow themselves be murdered. (I'm not sure they actively think much at all, if I'm allowed be hyper-cynical)
Either Guards are allowed to protect themselves in these situations, or they let a mad-man do as he will with a knife.
Sometimes, dangerous / mad people, have to be neutralised ~ ~ With what-ever it takes to do that.
Other-wise ~ What is the point of having Guards involved in such situations ? !
No disagreement there...but who are you arguing against?
Nobody in the links you shared above has said that the police shouldn't be allowed to neutralise dangerous threats, or that the police shouldn't be allowed to protect themselves, or that they should have to let a mad-man do as he will with a kinfe.
So who are you arguing with?
What do you think Mick Barry is doing here ( and others like him )
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/202...il-suspension/
There's no direct quotes in that link, but in other media, it's reported that he said:
He is clearly making stupid and politically opportunistic remarks (though I'm not really sure what this is an opportunity for). He appears to be suggesting that this is potentially an unlawful killing, despite the DPP report. Mainly, he seems to want the GSOC report to be published/given to the Nkencho family, which I'd agree with, and which I think will happen.
“George Nkencho was shot dead by an armed guard on December 30th 2020.
“He was shot five times, twice in the back.
“Yesterday we learned how the garda who shot him will not now stand trial.
“George’s grieving mother, his sisters and brothers, a working-class migrant family, will now have to fight a long and hard battle for justice, even for basic information, like so many others have had to do in the past.”
...
“On Tuesday, the State apologised to the Stardust families, the house rose in standing ovation and everybody said ‘never again’.
“Yet, just one day later, the State appears to many to be doing it all over again.”
But again, there's nothing in those quotes that indicates that Barry thinks that the police should allow themselves to be murdered, or shouldn't be allowed to neutralise dangerous threats, or that the police shouldn't be allowed to protect themselves, or that they should have to let a mad-man do as he will with a knife.
If you something in those quotes that indicates Barry does believe any of those things, can you please point out the specific quote/quotes?
Last edited by osarusan; 26/04/2024 at 8:36 AM.
If you cannot accept that there are circumstances where a, mad-man / mad-people, have to be neutralised by what ever means necessary then you are not living in reality ~ ~ This was a clear cut case ~ It could Not be any clearer but you still have, political opportunists / other opportunists, trying to make capital out of this situation.
If the Guards cannot neutralise somebody in this situation, then there is no point having the Guards involved in this type of situation ~ ~ Should we just go back to Not having Guards ?
Funny thing is ~ ~ These People that are always out to go after the Guards would be the first ones to be screaming ~ Call the Guards, Call the Guards, Call the Guards, at the first sign of a bit of aggro / or a nutter with a knife.
When are we going to get back to living in the real world = = Sometimes nutters with knives / guns have to be taken out, and the Guards should be thanked for doing an excellent job.
But in fairness, osarusan's post was well-thought out and asked for any specific comment that indicated Barry (or anyone) wanted Gardaí to be murdered, and you've ignored that part.
He might be stupid or simply angling for the woke vote, but I don't think there's anywhere he thinks Gardaí should be murdered
Some of these, politicians / other opportunists, never admit that there are sometimes clear cut circumstances where mad-people have to be neutralised by what-ever means necessary ( as in this clear-cut case ) = = If you do not accept that, then it has to follow on that they expect Guards to allow themselves to be, assaulted / seriously injured / murdered ~ or ~ That mad-people should just be let do as they please with, knives / guns, to murder and mayhem ! !
You either have a Garda force that is allowed to protect themselves and the public or you do not ! !
This was a clear-cut case but not for those that do Not live in the real world = = They'd soon want George Nkencho neutralised if they and their family was about to be murdered by George Nkencho ! !
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