Gay World Cup

**Gerrit** · 18/06/2005, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

Too right! God cannot send such a fine man to earth to tease us with and then chuckle at us all because he is gay!!! Not fair at all.

It happens so often... I know this girl who was deeply into Wham! and George Michael, then to remain heartbroken when George came out of the closet (or in this case, when someone opened the closet door and witnessed...

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**Gerrit** · 18/06/2005, 1:03 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Shock horror - gay people organise their own football World Cup. How dare they ! This must be stopped. And if they refuse to stop it, then - well, we'll just refuse to pretend to treat them equally any more....

FFS - who gives a feck if gays, ostriches, pygmy warriors or trampolining dwarfs want to organise a World Cup !? It's their own feckin business, their right to do so, and nothing to do with anyone else.

My old company has it's own World Cup as well - ooohhh let's all decide whether or not we agree with that....

The sociological debate on this, which no one can deny, is if it does their case any good. Gay people want to be treated equally as straight people and thus want us to not think in labels, but then organise a gay-only tournament themselves = thinking in labels themselves.

I don't have a problem with this world cup and even understand a certain need for it, but I also understand somehow that some people may see this a contradiction to their own request for equality.

**Green Tribe** · 18/06/2005, 12:51 PM

It happens so often... I know this girl who was deeply into Wham! and George Michael, then to remain heartbroken when George came out of the closet (or in this case, when someone opened the closet door and witnessed... )

to be fair though, I think it was always obvious that Georgie was gay.

**lopez** · 18/06/2005, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

to be fair though, I think it was always obvious that Georgie was gay.

Well I think Rock Hudson came as more of a shock. Some would say Boy George came as more of a shock.

I know this bloke who defended him for years against such rumours and loved his music. Once the tackle was out in front of Mr. Beverly Hills Poleeeceman, there was a burning of Georgios's records that looked like something out of the third reich.

Must say I warmed to George a lot more after the incident. Conchita's interest became purely a matter of music.

**hamish** · 18/06/2005, 11:18 PM

Regarding Rock Hudson, as a youngster I always thought he was a kind of John Wayne type bloke. Y'know, macho, soldier roles, always with the ladies etc etc etc.
It was only when, over a few jars one night in a pub, when me and a few pals were talking about films and movie stars, that a lady friend said to me: "Rock Hudson? That fella is as bent as a snake in a jam jar". I believe his movie company spent a fortune giving him a hetero image. Remember his TV series "McMillan and wife" with Susan St. James?
I really felt sympathy for him when the aids story came out. We can slag off movie stars for image building etc but when he was at his peak in big movies it would have been commercial suicide to come out as homosexuality, to say the least, was frowned upon those days. It's far to easy these days to say he should have been honest about his sexual orientation but he was a person of his time.
To think that there are far too many people these days who still regard gay people as perverts makes me wonder if we have made much progress in maturity and understanding. The current pope certainly doesn't help as his attitude towards homosexuality is to the right of Genghis Khan and there are millions of RC's who agree with him sadly.

**Gerrit** · 18/06/2005, 11:46 PM

I kinda like Boy George. His make-up is attractive, different from mine though so don't worry

But you gotta love such icons, and he has a great voice.
By the way, I think Boy George is bisexual and not gay ?

I was on the bus with a Manchester lad last week, and we were talking about the English music scene. When The Smiths came up... Well, in his native Manchester he knew someone who knows Morrissey in person. I did get a bit curious and asked for the thing that even the tabloits didn't find out yet. And IN CASE his answer is correct, I must say that any straight female Smiths fan should barry her hopes...

**Gerrit** · 18/06/2005, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by sirhamish

To think that there are far too many people these days who still regard gay people as perverts makes me wonder if we have made much progress in maturity and understanding. The current pope certainly doesn't help as his attitude towards homosexuality is to the right of Genghis Khan and there are millions of RC's who agree with him sadly.

The former pope was not better on this one. Which is a reason why I think we should not call him "JP the Great". His views towards gays probably caused lot of troubles he was never aware of...

**hamish** · 18/06/2005, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Gerrit

The former pope was not better on this one. Which is a reason why I think we should not call him "JP the Great". His views towards gays probably caused lot of troubles he was never aware of...

Yep, totally agree, Gerrit. But, Ratzinger was often behind much of the Vatican's statements on homosexuality.
I think his statment, a few years ago, when he threatened the US bishops with excommunication from the church if they disclosed evidence in a public court re the paedophile scene there was absolutely disgraceful. He wanted to keep the scandal under wraps, in house, as it were.
I feel his election as pope will spell disaster for the RC church in the long term as he will organise another right wing pope to follow him.