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    I note that the draw is apparently meant to be on April 1st, does anyone have an idea of how that will work with the final qualifiers from the Intercontinentals in June? There's potential for quite a difference in seeding really. Just taking things as they stand now, your IC playoffs would hypothetically be (rankings in brackets):

    Australia (37) vs Uruguay (16)
    Panama (63) vs New Zealand (111)

    There's a big difference between some of those numbers, will IC qualifiers just be bottom seeded automatically? I suppose it only really matters for someone like Uruguay, who would be in with a small shout of being a second seed in normal circumstances, or if not that they would be third, the rest would be 4th seeds anyway. The highest ranked side who could still end up in this route is 12th placed Mexico.
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    They're going to have a similar problem with the UEFA play-offs - looks like they may try Ukraine v Wales in June (which will hit our Nations League games), so at the moment you have one place being Scotland/Ukraine/Wales/Austria (40/27/20/30). (I'm assuming Russia won't be reinstated despite their CAS appeal)

    Smaller gaps between the rankings though in fairness, so yeah, it's not quite the same as Uruguay/New Zealand.

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    The OFC qualifiers start tomorrow after a really lengthy delay in their whole process, and three withdrawals (Samoa and American Samoa because of COVID, Tonga because of the eruption). All being played in what I assume are going to be empty stadiums in Qatar. All games streamed for free at reasonable kick-off times if anyone is interested in a very different kind of international football: https://www.oceaniafootball.com/how-...ia-qualifiers/

    It's a fascinating world that I've followed since Next Goal Wins. Just for the dichotomy of tiny footballing nations in a vast geographical area, who usually play in pitches that wouldn't be out of place in LSL in front of just hundreds, if that. But still countries, some of whom go years without senior football. I'd love to see an Intercontinental play-off between a side like Panama against the Solomon Islands, just for the sheer uniqueness of it.
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    I just want to second that endorsement of Next Goal Wins. It's an enjoyable documentary following the fortunes of one such island nation. One unusual feature is that one of the team was quite effeminate and identified as third gender which is traditionally recognised in that culture; however, it's not the focus of the film.
    Just accept it: 2022 is going to suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    I note that the draw is apparently meant to be on April 1st, does anyone have an idea of how that will work with the final qualifiers from the Intercontinentals in June? There's potential for quite a difference in seeding really. Just taking things as they stand now, your IC playoffs would hypothetically be (rankings in brackets):

    Australia (37) vs Uruguay (16)
    Panama (63) vs New Zealand (111)

    There's a big difference between some of those numbers, will IC qualifiers just be bottom seeded automatically? I suppose it only really matters for someone like Uruguay, who would be in with a small shout of being a second seed in normal circumstances, or if not that they would be third, the rest would be 4th seeds anyway. The highest ranked side who could still end up in this route is 12th placed Mexico.
    The answer is in, and all three teams that end up qualifying in June will be drawn in a week as fourth seeds: https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-wor...id-19-pandemic

    As stated before, there's a chance of fairly high ranking sides like Uruguay and Mexico getting messed about because of this. Worse perhaps, teams like Wales who could have expected to be third seeds will be fourth seeds if they qualify for reasons completely out of their control.
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    Italy have failed to qualify for the World Cup again. Quite the turnaround in nine months. Should Portugal feel relieved, given North Macedonia held out from over 30+ attempts on goal tonight?

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    That's amazing.

    North Macedonia record the probably unique feat of winning away to Germany and Italy in the same qualifying campaign.

    Meanwhile Italy have won just one finals match since winning the World Cup in 2006 (the Zidane headbutt match). And that was against England in 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    Italy have failed to qualify for the World Cup again. Quite the turnaround in nine months. Should Portugal feel relieved, given North Macedonia held out from over 30+ attempts on goal tonight?
    FIFA will be horrified if North Macedonia knock out Portugal as well ( probably unlikely )

    I am surprised that these games are not played over two legs to help the “ more powerful football countries " ( with big populations for better financial opportunities )

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    Canada made it last night, topping CONCACAF qualification. They look like a very impressive team relative to the region, I watched the second half of their game against Costa Rica the other day where they bossed the game despite having a man sent off for a stupid bit of play acting from the opposition and a very hostile crowd. They lost 1-0, but looked very good in defeat. I wouldn't say they'll be turning up just to be there in November.

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    this is the ball being used at the tournament

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    Mali, North Macedonia and the Solomon Islands were all knocked out in the last 24 hours.

    Means for the first time ever that no debutant country will reach the finals through qualifying. (Qatar are the only debutants, but they're hosts of course)

    Finland, Venezuela and North Macedonia are the only countries in the top 50 (per Eloratings.net) never to make a World Cup.

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    Seedings are in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_F...w_and_schedule

    Your potential group of death on paper is Brazil (who just went top of the rankings for the first time in 12 years), Mexico, Senegal and Wales.
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    The draw is underway now.

    Spain/Germany in group E

    Belgium/Croatia in F

    France/Denmark in D is tasty too.

    England will be delighted with USA by comparison...

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    So it's -

    Qatar
    Ecuador
    Senegal
    Holland


    England
    Iran
    USA
    Wales/Scotland/Ukraine


    Argentina
    Saudi Arabia
    Mexico
    Poland


    France
    Peru/Australia/UAE
    Denmark (the 2018 group was France/Denmark/Peru/Australia)
    Tunisia


    Spain
    Costa Rica/New Zealand
    Germany
    Japan


    Belgium
    Canada
    Morocco
    Croatia


    Brazil
    Serbia
    Switzerland (they were all in the same group in 2018 as well)
    Cameroon


    Portugal
    Ghana
    Uruguay
    South Korea
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    England have gotten a nice easy one on the face of it. USA v Iran will hopefully lead to a bit of a reshowing of the classic encounter from 1998; one of my favourite World Cup games.

    But Germany v Spain jumps out straight away. Costa Rica (if they get through) aren't entirely pushovers and Germany can be upset (like 2018)

    And Belgium v Croatia is two semi-finallists from last time - but Croatia aren't the team they were. Could Canada do a job on them? They seem to have come on in leaps and bounds.

    France v Denmark is another big tie for the group stages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    So it's -

    Qatar
    Ecuador
    Senegal
    Holland


    England
    Iran
    USA
    Wales/Scotland/Ukraine


    Argentina
    Saudi Arabia
    Mexico
    Poland


    France
    Peru/Australia/UAE
    Denmark (the 2018 group was France/Denmark/Peru/Australia)
    Tunisia


    Spain
    Costa Rica/New Zealand
    Germany
    Japan


    Belgium
    Canada
    Morocco
    Croatia


    Brazil
    Serbia
    Switzerland (they were all in the same group in 2018 as well)
    Cameroon


    Portugal
    Ghana
    Uruguay
    South Korea

    We should win it in memoir of Maradona. Easy group for ourselves, I hope you boys in green cheer for us, tomorrow 40 years of the war in Malvinas

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    The last few weeks of World Cup qualifying starts tonight, with Scotland hosting Ukraine. Will be fascinating to see how that one works out, it's impossible to know how well Ukraine will be able to focus on their business. Channelling the kind of emotions they must have been going through over the last few months into a good sporting performance is no easy task. And then they might have to go and do it all again in Cardiff. Maybe because of that I'd still favour Wales.

    Given how poor Australia have been recently you'd have to imagine the UAE has a shot, especially in a once-off, but I wouldn't say either team would be much trouble for Peru.

    Looking forward to Costa Rica and New Zealand. The single game format and neutral location really gives the OFC side a better chance, and Costa Rica were really poor in the last game I saw them in, when they only just about beat 10-man Canada.
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    I was giving the story a wide berth because from a cursory reading it seemed like a storm in a teacup and Ecuadorian statements on the matter didn't sound like they were worried, but a few news outlets this morning are reporting that Ecuador are going to get thrown out of the World Cup at a hearing tomorrow for playing an ineligible player, Byron Castillo, in a number of matches. It's hard to know how concrete it is, going down the rabbit hole brings you to a Mexican news channel that might have jumped the gun in terms of claiming access to a "leaked" FIFA conclusion.

    If it is true nominally all the games where Ecuador played Castillo would be awarded as 3-0 losses. From my reading, that would put Chile, who made the complaint, up to 4th in the CONMEBOL standings and give them automatic qualification (Peru, 5th and playing Australia on Monday in a play-off, wouldn't be effected). There have also been claims that FIFA could turn around and award the place to the highest ranked non-qualifying team - Italy - but I suspect that's just outrage-bait. Presumably Ecuador would appeal a negative ruling all the way to CAS too. Their own court system ruled Castillo an Ecuadorian by birth.

    Edit: FIFA rejects Chile's complaint, so Ecuador are headed to the World Cup: https://www.fifa.com/legal/media-rel...astillo-segura

    Chile have the right to appeal of course, but I suspect it's pointless.
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