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    https://www.newstalk.com/sport/prize...vealed-1200628
    Any word on how much a club earn for winning a qualifier?
    oh boy I'm not good at football forums

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUFCghost View Post
    https://www.newstalk.com/sport/prize...vealed-1200628
    Any word on how much a club earn for winning a qualifier?
    From what I can tell, the changes just distribute teams down from the CL and EL to the Conference League, so the number of games should be roughly similar, and I'd guess the money won't be all that different from EL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUFCghost View Post
    https://www.newstalk.com/sport/prize...vealed-1200628
    Any word on how much a club earn for winning a qualifier?
    Appears this is the list

    R1 - 150k
    R2 - 350k
    R3 - 550K
    Play off - 750k
    Group - 2.94m

    Obv not increasing per round as above, if you go out in R2 you get 350k, get to play off its 750k etc.

    Dundalk are seeded if we make 3 rounds, but would take form to be consistent and increased improvement to have a chance of that, the list of seeded teams coming into the play off round would seem little chance of making group stage again though.

    Also heard but not seen, the money for a win in the group has increased, but that's a long way off for now.
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    What was EL up to last year? Was it 240k for first round? 90k drop isn't insignificant. You'd hope the flip side is LoI sides should go through a round more often, but it looks like the first round will be very similar to EL

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    It was something like that, maybe 220k per round, Dundalk ended up with 3.2m I think in the end last year by making the group.
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    The Europa League Conference is where we belong collectively as a Country. Hopefully the prize money is more achievable , and it will be interesting to see how comfortable LOI teams might be at that level.

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    LOI teams should be qualifying for the Europa League group stages at least every 3 yrs in my opinion. None of the LOI teams got hockeyed last year, and I don't see too much difference in quality in the Conference, but I guess that remains to be seen.

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    I don't know why people think that leagues at our level have a better chance of making group stages. As far as I can see, the Champions and Europa Leagues are smaller so the teams that miss out there will take Conference places. There'll still be English, Italian, German and Spanish teams to overcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucket View Post
    I don't know why people think that leagues at our level have a better chance of making group stages. As far as I can see, the Champions and Europa Leagues are smaller so the teams that miss out there will take Conference places. There'll still be English, Italian, German and Spanish teams to overcome
    Agree


    In theory it's easier for champions from lower leagues to get to the conference groups, they now need to win 2 of 4 fixtures.
    win CL Q1 -> win CL Q2 -> lose CL Q3 -> lose EL PO -> ECL
    win CL Q1 -> lose CL Q2 -> win EL Q3 -> lose EL PO -> ECL
    win CL Q1 -> lose CL Q2 -> lose EL Q3 -> win ECL PO -> ECL

    Or 3 wins from 4 for EL, or ECL if lose CL Q1

    with a favourable draw ECL seems achievable 1 year in 3

    It's also easier, in theory, for teams from lower ranked countries to qualify for ECL with 17 spots now up for grabs between 129 [approximate number 2021] team, where previously it was 141 [approximate number 2018] teams competing for 13 spots.

    However there are fewer teams in the first round, which now includes those who entered the preliminary round before. And with more teams now entering at Q2 than there will be winners in Q1 it's definitely skewed in favour of seeded teams.

    In summary, chance of our champions in group stages of third competition are slightly better. But the slope just got steeper for the rest of our entrants.

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    Decent overview of available money.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...wEc6DyReMSLn9k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucket View Post
    I don't know why people think that leagues at our level have a better chance of making group stages. As far as I can see, the Champions and Europa Leagues are smaller so the teams that miss out there will take Conference places. There'll still be English, Italian, German and Spanish teams to overcome
    Exactly. That was the whole idea behind the change. It's about keeping the small fry away from the big fish as much as possible, with a couple of extra maggots thrown at the little guys to keep them quiet and happy..

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    According to Bert's website the seeded teams for the first UCL qualifying round are:

    Seeded clubs coef.
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    Dinamo Zagreb Cro 44.500
    Ludogorets Razgrad Bul 28.000
    Malmö FF Swe 18.500
    CFR Cluj Rom 16.500
    Legia Warsaw Pol 16.500
    Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 14.500
    Ferencváros Hun 13.500

    Shkendija Tetovo Mac 9.000
    Slovan Bratislava Svk 7.500
    Dinamo Tbilisi Geo 6.500
    Zalgiris Vilnius Lit 6.500
    Alashkert FC Arm 6.500
    Flora Tallinn Est 6.250
    Buducnost Podgorica Mon 6.000

    Kairat Almaty Kaz 6.000
    Lincoln Red Imps Gib 5.750

    Teams in bold I would give Rovers close to a 50% chance of winning. There's an argument to be made that Sheriff are the best draw as Rovers would take on their seeding for the second round should they come through it.

    As proven last year with Dundalk a European run has as much to do with the draw as it does your own quality. This first round is by far the most important for Irish teams, if rovers can progress they should have enough games to pick up enough co-efficient points to be seeded in this round should they be in the CL next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurt View Post
    There's an argument to be made that Sheriff are the best draw as Rovers would take on their seeding for the second round should they come through it.
    I wouldn't underestimate Sheriff.

    They beat a high-flying Shelbourne side in the FAI Cup a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    I wouldn't underestimate Sheriff.

    They beat a high-flying Shelbourne side in the FAI Cup a few years ago.
    Certain bookies around Amiens Street and Fairview Strand, were very busy that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurt View Post
    According to Bert's website the seeded teams for the first UCL qualifying round are:

    Seeded clubs coef.
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    Dinamo Zagreb Cro 44.500
    Ludogorets Razgrad Bul 28.000
    Malmö FF Swe 18.500
    CFR Cluj Rom 16.500
    Legia Warsaw Pol 16.500
    Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 14.500
    Ferencváros Hun 13.500

    Shkendija Tetovo Mac 9.000
    Slovan Bratislava Svk 7.500
    Dinamo Tbilisi Geo 6.500
    Zalgiris Vilnius Lit 6.500
    Alashkert FC Arm 6.500
    Flora Tallinn Est 6.250
    Buducnost Podgorica Mon 6.000

    Kairat Almaty Kaz 6.000
    Lincoln Red Imps Gib 5.750

    Teams in bold I would give Rovers close to a 50% chance of winning. There's an argument to be made that Sheriff are the best draw as Rovers would take on their seeding for the second round should they come through it.

    As proven last year with Dundalk a European run has as much to do with the draw as it does your own quality. This first round is by far the most important for Irish teams, if rovers can progress they should have enough games to pick up enough co-efficient points to be seeded in this round should they be in the CL next year
    Although Dundalk got easy enough draws last year, all of them bar the play off were away, but I have to say if these were two legged jobs, I wouldn't think we could have made it. For example the impressive 1-1 draw away to Sheriff who were ranked higher and the seeded team in that round, you would just get the feeling they would have upped their game for the return leg in Ireland.

    Still to get a Faroes team, regardless of their 3-0 walk over win and next game win over a covid raged side, was just unbelievable luck, and in Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlhoop View Post
    Decent overview of available money.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...wEc6DyReMSLn9k
    Thanks for posting that, interesting figures, and seems more than I thought of for getting to R3 which I had down as €550K , seems its a good bit more then (€850k) if any club reaches that round.

    Unseeded though will kill both Rovers and Linfield for their CL first game if they have hopes of getting the auto 1.4m euro at the first shot, and it would be a major surprise if either of them won given the strength of the seeded sides in CL r1, but you never know.
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    Same here, I wasn't aware of the €100k per round advanced money in addition to the drop out money. It makes things look a bit more lucrative alright.
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    Irish clubs in European draws: All you need to know (rte.ie)

    Feel sorry for fans of the clubs involved this year as normally the night before the draw is like Christmas eve. I love planning the European trips.

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    Shows again where the opportunity there may have been for a properly run Dundalk and P6's messing so baffling. There is value in the seeding that's been built over the years, a decent manager and a league challenge next season and yer back in the hunt for significant financial reward never mind the chance to pull in half of what is 'owed' to owners this summer.

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    The possible opponents for Dundalk.

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