LOI In Europe 2021

**Nesta99** · 05/08/2021, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by joey B

RTÉ in previous negotiations have offered to pay extra if the LOI stipulation was dropped,they’d be delighted to never show any of it….

So said Delaney when asked what he was doing for LoI, didnt RTE deny it? not that that changes the RTE attitude either. I vaguely recall a snide 'when LoI isnt one man and a dog at games it would be seen differently' in the 90s (pre provinical Heineken Cup involvement) and RTE promptly showed AIL rugby mostly at an empty grounds where the only infrastructure was a rope fence along one side of the pitch. So can see where the opinion of RTE comes from.

**joey B** · 05/08/2021, 4:17 PM

Originally Posted by Nesta99

So said Delaney when asked what he was doing for LoI, didnt RTE deny it? not that that changes the RTE attitude either. I vaguely recall a snide 'when LoI isnt one man and a dog at games it would be seen differently' in the 90s (pre provinical Heineken Cup incolvement) and RTE promptly showed AIL rugby mostly at an empty grounds where the only infrastructure was a rope fence along one side of the pitch. So can see where the opinion of RTE comes from.

I actually couldn’t remember where I heard that and if it’s came from him then I’ll hold my hands up that it must be bollo*ks because he told more porkys than anyone ever did!

**Nesta99** · 05/08/2021, 5:07 PM

I'm pretty sure that JD was asked what he was doing for LoI and his response was that RTE offered money to the FAI not show games but John the Bap stood his ground, refused the additional money and insisted that if RTE wanted international games they had to show domestic games too martyr that he was and all. Now if he had taken the additional cash on offer and still had domestic games covered it might have have been a story worth spinning. Whether it actually happened well who knows with JD - spin 2 or 3 random yarns on one will apply to him tbh. Im less sure on RTE denying it, could have been a retrospective denial but the origins just sounds like bullsh!t, up there with with JD taking point on Blatter out and forcing FIFA to pay up or face legal action (the latter possibly true on form). Didnt it turn out to be a loan from FIFA rather than compensation for not being the 33rd team 2002?

**TheBoss** · 05/08/2021, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

just to be clear, while mine was a pointless investigation, it was simply to see how many teams had won the first leg, not seeing how many progressed when drawn at home.

Oh right!! I see now

Originally Posted by Kingdom

Thanks boss - would you have the list to hand, be interested to see which ones I missed out unless they were pre 96? I didn't include the Cup winners cup as i didnt have the time.

1995/96	Cup Winners	Qualifying Round	Derry City	Lokomotiv Sofia	Bulgaria	1	0
1998/99	Cup Winners	Qualifying Round	Cork City	CSCA Kyiv	Ukraine	2	1
2004/05	Intertoto	First Round	Cork City	Malmö	Sweden	3	1
2005/06	Intertoto	First Round	Bohemians	Gent	Belgium	1	0
2006/07	Champions	First Qualifying Round	Cork City	Apollon Limassol	Cyprus	1	0
2009/10	Europa	Third Qualifying Round	St. Patrick's Athletic	Krylia Sovetov	Russia	1	0
2015/16	Europa	First Qualifying Round	UCD	F91 Dudelange	Luxembourg	1	0
2019/20	Europa	Second Qualifying Round	Shamrock Rovers	Apollon Limassol	Cyprus	2	1
2021/22	Conference	Third Qualifying Round	Bohemians	PAOK	Greece	2	1

**Nesta99** · 05/08/2021, 5:26 PM

Annoying that, werent uncomfortable - could keeper have done better or good finish. McEleney clipping the crossbar straight after, a goal would have taken some of the sting out of their tendency to play on the break so far. Cant give the ball away cheaply obviously

**paul_oshea** · 05/08/2021, 5:32 PM

It's been fairly even in fairness except Dundalk sitting very deep when they have the ball

**Philosophizer** · 05/08/2021, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by Nesta99

Didnt it turn out to be a loan from FIFA rather than compensation for not being the 33rd team 2002?

Yea it was a loan that was subsequently written off.

**Philosophizer** · 05/08/2021, 5:34 PM

Dundalk have looked decent on the right. Kelly put in a couple of dangerous crosses.

**Kingdom** · 05/08/2021, 5:37 PM

Originally Posted by TheBoss

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Much appreciated. Of course the inter-toto, chanced my arm ignoring the cup winners cup (a great competition), and to be fair, all 4 results there are quality.

To put it into context, Ireland has been drawn at home 3 times in play-offs for championships in the first leg, and won once, so perhaps there is a struggle mentally with trying to take the game to higher ranked opponents.

**paul_oshea** · 05/08/2021, 5:47 PM

Got lucky there in the last couple of mins, some great last gasp defending. If Dundalk can keep this to 1 goal it will be a good result. Then maybe snatch a draw at home at least good for their and the league's points.

Vitesse do have the feel of a team playing a pre-season friendly which is a bit worrying.

**Nesta99** · 05/08/2021, 5:56 PM

I was going to say it feels generally like a preseason friendly. Dundalk have another gear but Vitesse probably 2 or 3. McMillan has met his match with defenders this evening, commanding in the air, 1st touch flicks well covered. Ball in to space wide looks to be the best opportunity to get something. Lack of pace at the back is hurting us as as soon as possession coughed up we are scrambling and not making up for it with positioning or imposing physically. Its worrying us enough for Abibi to kick it long more often than playing it out. Not pressed high so much as they seem to be able to close very quickly.

**Nesta99** · 05/08/2021, 5:58 PM

Originally Posted by Philosophizer

Yea it was a loan that was subsequently written off.

Still super spoofed though as FIFA could have called it in either and not that they were in fear of JD and his FAI acolytes as was presented at the time.

**Nesta99** · 05/08/2021, 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

Much appreciated. Of course the inter-toto, chanced my arm ignoring the cup winners cup (a great competition), and to be fair, all 4 results there are quality.

To put it into context, Ireland has been drawn at home 3 times in play-offs for championships in the first leg, and won once, so perhaps there is a struggle mentally with trying to take the game to higher ranked opponents.

You probably could factor in the worry of conceding an away goal in a first leg in terms of achievement too. 2nd leg advantage is diluted so much now it wouldnt be a surprise to see wins/score draws at home 1st leg increase in general.

**paul_oshea** · 05/08/2021, 6:21 PM

Unreal goal!

**paul_oshea** · 05/08/2021, 6:22 PM

Has the feel of a preseason goal too

Serious poor marking. They became complacent

**Nesta99** · 05/08/2021, 6:23 PM

Another rarity from the head of McEleney - they were showboating a bit, and we looked a bit better with Hoban on. Unexpected but they'll reset, stung by that!

Stupid new away goal rule!!