QuoteWell, we've proven that we can beat everyone else in the division on our day, but with such a young, inexperienced squad, I think promotion this season might be a little too much to ask, but you never know....
I'm returning to the Emerald Isle after three years (on and off) in England. So I haven't seen us this season outside of the first two games, which we were unlucky in. My question is are we good enough to go up this season?
Well, we've proven that we can beat everyone else in the division on our day, but with such a young, inexperienced squad, I think promotion this season might be a little too much to ask, but you never know....
Well if we go up it will be down to the lack of quality in the other teams squads. We badly need a central defender, a central midfielder and our goalkeeper, error prone as he is he aint going to be replaced. We had three passangers on the team last night against Waterford in the LC sad to say all of them are first teamers. One in particular who is on loan id **** back to where he came from quick and free up some transfer funds.
Last edited by gael353; 31/05/2005 at 1:30 PM. Reason: typo
Jaysus Cassandra will you lighten up. Saying we might go up because the others are worse than us is the same as saying we will go up because we are better than the others. Splitting hairs.Originally Posted by gael353
The question was are we good enough to go up. The answer is yes. We are better than most teams in this division. That doesn't mean we will go up - after all Liverpool are European Champions - some things just don't make sense.
I think we are in for a good old rattle for the rest of the season.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
AS it stands, if Limerick were to go up, it would be in spite of him.our goalkeeper, error prone as he is he aint going to be replaced
I think Mooney is a good keeper - he makes mistakes but he has won us points so far this season (such as against Dublin City at home). He needs to get better dealing with crosses but he is a fine shot stopper. IMO he is still being judged on the first games of the season (when he hadn't played in the pre-season games and so was rusty). In the last nine league games he has shipped only 6 goals and kept 3 clean sheets.
Limerick fans seem to be very stubborn on their opinions of players. If you have a bad couple of opening games then you can't shake first impressions.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
His ability to deal with a cross under pressure is non-existant so far, again last night he was flapping at crosses and punched a ball out he should have easily caught. He has cost Limerick a few goals/games already this year. Maybe that's a bit over critical and he'll get better, but I must admit I'm far from comfortable when he's playing.
on the same subject...is promotion this season the best thing for the club at this stage? i havent made a game yet this season as i live in england but follow the clubs fortunes as closely as i can and before this season began i would have been happy with a midtable finish in the league and was happy for us to have a home ground to call ours again at last,and at this stage place just as much importance on the infrastructure of our club being gradually built up again after the shape our recent history left it in.
also,in 2 or 3 seasons time,would our returning fanbase become critical of a place in the midtable in the premier division,if success comes too quickly?
dont get me wrong.....im ambitious,i believe as strongly as anyone that limerick fc's rightfull place is in the premier,but i reckon steady,sustainable progress is more beneficial in the longer term.
I think getting promoted would definitely be the best thing for the club. More money, better players, better experiences for the players.
I know what you are saying but I think any club should strive to play at the highest level possible. I remember being very annoyed a couple of seasons ago when Tommy Lunch had a half decent size and said that he hoped Limerick weren't promotoed because we weren't ready. Yet the fans still had to shell out money to go to games. When I pay and invest emotionally () I want the players to do their utmost.
If we went up we might come straight back down again but that's all part of the learning process. Sometimes you just have to get dropped in it and see what happens. The administration of the club seem to be solid enough so the threat of losing the head with finances etc if we went up would be low I think. I'd prefer to be a yo-yo promotion club than a mid-table team.
Last edited by LFC in Exile; 31/05/2005 at 3:49 PM.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Is there any keeper that hasn't done the above? He has cost us a few goals/games though mostly at the start of the season like I said earlier. We'll just have to disagree on this one.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Well I have been to all the home matches this season and no team has dominated us for 90mins, we have dropped points to Monaghan, Cobh and Dublin, the latter being hot favourite to go up, I didn't see anything in them that I don't see in our own side, we have been playing very well as of late, even in last nights match we got the equaliser right at the death, Waterford deserved their victory on the balance of play over the 120 mins but, we as they had a weakened squad due to the fixture pile up. I personally would sacrifice our cup games for a good run in the league.Also I am very pleased with how we are seeing out games, ie Monaghan away and Waterford at home.It shows our fitness cannot be questioned at least, and as John D said if you had to witness our form last season, then this season whatever happens in the coming months will be a success.While I would like for us to be promoted this season it wouldn't be the end of the world if we didn't.What I don't wan't is for us to be doing a UCD, Bray, and Harps system, yo-yoing up and down every season.Get everthing in place first, ie upgrade Hogan Park, our U21'S and youth set-up to blossom and increase our fan base, then and only then will we have a chance of consolodating a position in the Premier.After that well who knows................
Unity is Power, Power if shared is Strength, Limerick 37 serving the Community of Limerick.
Is there any keeper that hasn't done the above? He has cost us a few goals/games though mostly at the start of the season like I said earlier. We'll just have to disagree on this one.
your not alone and everyone is entitled to their opinion on players its a fact of supporting a team. But Noal Mooney had been responsible for upto 8 of the 14 league goals conceaded thus far. He looks like a keeper, looks better then many we see in the league but upstairs hes not all there and this is what lets him down.
I think you're being a bit harsh on Noel, trouble is with keepers is that when they make mistakes it usually means a goal conceded and thats what seperates his mistakes from other players in the squad.There have been many players who have under performed at times this season, O'Mahoney and Tobin (for their total lack of distribution) Finni (for his inability to talk to his players like a good captain should) Keirns and Nolan (for being headless,eg. picking the ball up in centre midfield and running to the corner flag, WHY???????) NOC because we are crying out for a midfield partner for Barrett, and we have one if only he would give him a chance, I speak of Keith Hartnett.Anyone who watched our team last season would have seen his ability, last night would have been the perfect opportunity to use him but for some reason he continues to be overlooked.I guess thats NOC for you, always keeps you guessing??????????.
Unity is Power, Power if shared is Strength, Limerick 37 serving the Community of Limerick.
Promo toed...I like that. It sounds like an ailing strikers disease...
i presume its the top 2 that go up and if limerick achiece that they will deserve promotion.what are the players and staff aiming for if it is not promotion the players i would assume would want to test them selfs against the best in irish soccer.the manager has experience of the el premier and europe as coach and would not want failure and might have the contacts to strengthen the team where he or we see necessary.i listen with hope every friday night to rtelw but after the other nights **** up it will be with some doudt so the sooner limerick are promoted the better because rte send a reporter to the premier games.
Not 100% sure but I think that only the winners go up automatically. Second team plays off with second last in Premier.
I'm what? I'm ants at a picnic?
Thats my understanding too. It would be better to have 4 teams in a play off - places 2 to 4 in the first and 11 in the premier. It would provide more interest in the first - particularly if one or two teams were to pull away from the others. But we mustn't expect sensible decisions, we'll only be disappointed.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
I haven't read this thread fully but gonna throw in my tupence here anyway ...
I would much prefer that Limerick devote alot of resource to getting things right off the pitch first and then work on coming up .... the reason i say this is so that if you do come up that you are up for the long haul .... Finn Harps are struggling this year .... i believe in a time they'll come good just as long as they dont leave it too late. Is the same problem there at Waterford ?? ... were things right off the pitch, enough to ensure they could weather some of the problems they are having ??
It would be great if the whole commercial side of the club was up and running and that everything was in place to ensure Limerick stay where they belong when they come up.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
In a word... yes, I think we're definitely good enough to finish top two and have a crack at things. That said, in the last few years I don't think that any First Division side has successfully negotiated a playoff so I'd be a lot more comfortable with winning the division!
I'm with LFC In Exile on the whole go up now or build gradually thing too. Most of our key players seem to have been tied down to deals of more than just one season so wages shouldn't rise too much if we did go up.Everything else would be a bonus, more money, players would inevitably improve playing against a higher standard of opponent and the clubs profile would be increased both locally and nationally. I think the likes of Paddy Purcell would come back quickly enough then (if John D allowed it
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