Should be pickin up a few royalties from it soonOriginally Posted by tetsujin1979
Stick in the overtime for that effort.
Never eat yellow snow!!
My God Tetsujin, you've been outed!Hey, your that Joe McCarthy bloke from the Soccercentral website.
Keep up the good work
The more I look at this we really still have a lot of the advantages.
come on lads - DELIVER.
Can anyone dig up the group table & results for qualification for Euro '88?
We drew two home games (Belgium & Scotland), lost to Bulgaria away & beat them at home, beat Scotland away, beat Luxembourg away & only barely beat them at home.
One goal from Gary Mackay later - delerium.
Only asking 'cos I think our performance this time around is close enough to back then & it could all hinge on the most unpredictable of events. I'd also like to know how Belgium, Scotland & Bulgaria did against each other.
Heres our results from those qualifiers:
14-OCT-87 DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland) Ireland Republic vs. Bulgaria 2:0 (0:0)
09-SEP-87 DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland) Ireland Republic vs. Luxembourg 2:1 (1:1)
28-MAY-87 LUXEMBOURG (Luxembourg) Luxembourg vs. Ireland Republic 0:2 (0:1)
29-APR-87 DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland) Ireland Republic vs. Belgium 0:0
01-APR-87 SOFIA (Bulgaria) Bulgaria vs. Ireland Republic 2:1 (1:0)
18-FEB-87 GLASGOW (Scotland) Scotland vs. Ireland Republic 0:1 (0:1)
15-OCT-86 DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland) Ireland Republic vs. Scotland 0:0
10-SEP-86 BRUSSELS (Belgium) Belgium vs. Ireland Republic 2:2 (1:1)
Here's Belgiums Results
11-NOV-87 BRUSSELS (Belgium) Belgium vs. Luxembourg 3:0 (1:0)
14-OCT-87 GLASGOW (Scotland) Scotland vs. Belgium 2:0 (1:0)
23-SEP-87 SOFIA (Bulgaria) Bulgaria vs. Belgium 2:0 (1:0)
29-APR-87 DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland) Ireland Republic vs. Belgium 0:0
01-APR-87 BRUSSELS (Belgium) Belgium vs. Scotland 4:1 (1:1)
19-NOV-86 BRUSSELS (Belgium) Belgium vs. Bulgaria 1:1 (0:0)
14-OCT-86 LUXEMBOURG (Luxembourg) Luxembourg vs. Belgium 0:6 (0:3)
10-SEP-86 BRUSSELS (Belgium) Belgium vs. Ireland Republic 2:2 (1:1)
And Bulgaria's
11-NOV-87 SOFIA (Bulgaria) Bulgaria vs. Scotland 0:1 (0:0)
14-OCT-87 DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland) Ireland Republic vs. Bulgaria 2:0 (0:0)
23-SEP-87 SOFIA (Bulgaria) Bulgaria vs. Belgium 2:0 (1:0)
20-MAY-87 SOFIA (Bulgaria) Bulgaria vs. Luxembourg 3:0 (2:0)
30-APR-87 LUXEMBOURG (Luxembourg) Luxembourg vs. Bulgaria 1:4 (0:0)
01-APR-87 SOFIA (Bulgaria) Bulgaria vs. Ireland Republic 2:1 (1:0)
19-NOV-86 BRUSSELS (Belgium) Belgium vs. Bulgaria 1:1 (0:0)
10-SEP-86 GLASGOW (Scotland) Scotland vs. Bulgaria 0:0
The beginning of our love affair with the beautiful game eh
Last edited by Littlest Hobo; 08/06/2005 at 10:49 AM.
Never eat yellow snow!!
just seen this on a website, its a fella who has calculated possible permutations that may happen and seems quite sensible and its highly likely that one of the many things he has calculated will happen, take a look
http://www.soccercentral.ie/viewstor...&viewstory=yes
Interesting analysis and one I happen to agree with.
Here is how I see (hope?) it happens.
We beat the Faroes.
We beat Cyprus.
We draw with France.
We beat the Swiss in Dublin.
This will leave us on 20 points.
Then I see the group shaking out thusly:
The Swiss beat the Israeli's so they are no longer a factor.
The French and Swiss draw.
We beat the Swiss but the French top the group.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
I don't believe it. Our very own Tetsujin1979 has actually gone and plageurised the work of a guy on soccercentral. Disgraceful!
Thanks, so it actaully looks like in that group the big teams did actually do more than just draw with each other all the time.
But this would leave the group like this:
Ire P10 Pts 20
Swiss P10 Pts 19
Fra P10 Pts 18
Israel P10 Pts 17
Can see the swiss draw with israel and the other results remain the same leaving:
Ire P10 Pts 20
Fra P10 Pts 18
Isr P10 Pts 18
Swiss P10 Pts 17
If we draw last game, then everyone ends on 18pts. Goal Difference is the key. The french have both minnows at home to come and israel have the faroes twice as well. Interesting
Never eat yellow snow!!
Great work Tetjusin, things dont look quite so bad now!!
With so may of the permutations involving goal difference deciding who goes through lets hope we can knock in a good few tonight!
AFAIR if two teams are even on points, its the head to head results which count first. That may put a spanner into Tetsujin's calculations.
Although I do not gamble I sometimes have a look at the betting odds for games and the groups. I see that France are odds on 5/6 to win the group, Irel 5/2 then down the line to Swiss 6/1 ? and Israel 11/1.
For Israel the odds look tempting but basically that's an 11/1 for the double, Israel to beat Swiss away and Irel have to draw with France.
Would you agree that France at this stage with 2 big away games are worth the odds on 5/6 to top the group? Personally I don't..
To be more precise.
2 teams level on points
a, its the head to head results
if the same then
b, goal difference on the head to head games
if the same then
c, goal difference over all the group games.
So away goals do not count should Irel be level with Isr at the end of the group.
Two of the worst games I have ever seen.
Spreadsheet updated with the result from wednesday - here
I've updated and rewrote the group permutations post from the other day, taking into account we beat the Faroes. I forgot to include the possibility of Switzerland beating both France and Israel in those games. It does change the complexion of the final table a little. But if we get a win and a draw from the final 2 games, we will at least be in the play offs.
Check it out here - http://members.boards.ie/tetsujin1979/Permutations.html
Any miscalculations or mis-sortings, please inform me straight away and I'll update the table accordingly
Last edited by tetsujin1979; 09/06/2005 at 5:04 PM.
what if we draw with france and swiss?
Great work.
I still think we can afford to lose to France as long as the Swiss lose to them too (& Israel don't win in Basle). We'd still hobble into second by beating the Swiss.
Let me check again though.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 09/06/2005 at 5:46 PM.
Aye, good work but I think the most likely result between France and Switzerland is a draw and thats not on that page.
with a draw against france and a win against the swiss we're assured 2nd and are probably favourites for 1st
correct me if im wrong but if we draw france and win other 2 games and france and swiss draw and all other results go normally we will top the group
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