Today I'm ashamed to be Irish

[anto1208]

You, sir, are the idiot.
You and many others on here are examples of what has happened to this country. Too much wealth and too much selfishness.
You and your likes on here, cringe and whinge because some people believe it is right to peacefully protest at a sporting occassion. I held a Palestinian flag up high throughout the Israeli National Anthem. It was a small gesture to a downtrodden people - something we, as a nation, should be able to relate to. This mantra that "its sport not politics" is utter rubbish. Sport and politics are always mixed together - and you well know it. National anthems are played, nationalism encouraged, songs sung. Was that "Night in November" when we played Bingham's boys a friendly apolitical kick around? No - it stank to high heaven with politics and bigotry. But you and your likes no doubt had blinkers on. Moscow Olympics ring any sporting political bells with you or were the blinkers on again then?

You moaning, whingeing, self-centred, son here are representative of what is wrong these days.

Politics and sport are seperate? Bull. Get real.

For me its 'Freedom for Palestine'. For you its 'look at their cheatin keeper".
I know which is more important to me.

i think most here agree that its terrible what is being done in pallistine but , this thread is about the abuse dished out to ordinary people going to a football match , calling people murderers trowing pints over them subjecting them to nazi salutes ( this is what people are upset about ) , do you honestly think that these people have any controll over what there goverment does.

[Donal81]

How about we start a fund up to pay for flights for Silvio and rqumentative to put their words into action in Palestine.

Surely you mean 'Zionist Occupied Palestine' and not simply Palestine? Merely writing Palestine implies that you must be a friend of the Jews and their evil Zionist oppressing ways. I cast thee from this site.

[The Bit O'Red]

i think most here agree that its terrible what is being done in pallistine but , this thread is about the abuse dished out to ordinary people going to a football match , calling people murderers trowing pints over them subjecting them to nazi salutes ( this is what people are upset about ) , do you honestly think that these people have any controll over what there goverment does.

Agreed Anto, racism has no place in football and that's what occured throughout the stadium on saturday. Disgusting.

[Hibs4Ever]

After the match on Saturday, and reading what a couple of people here have to say, I can't help but think, what the fcuk does it have to do with irish people what happens in Palestine??????

[Munsterchick]

After the match on Saturday, and reading what a couple of people here have to say, I can't help but think, what the fcuk does it have to do with irish people what happens in Palestine??????

Have a chat with Silvio.....

[anto1208]

Great post. Sadly the Celtic tiger has raised a generation of naval gazing self important ole ole singers.

Glad to see there are still a few Irish fans with the moral courage to stand up for what they believe in. Though to do that you have to have a belief system to start with...

dont go getting all high and mighty here , thinking you are a great peace keeper of our times , holding up a flag at a soccer match hundreds of miles from any of the problems mentioned where absolutly nothing can happen to you means nothing to the people in palestien ,

if you really cared you would be on your way over to join the plo ( i think a few of us here this morning will chip in for the plane ticket ), or at least lobbying the polititians at the embassy the people who can make a difference not at a football match .

simple fact is you care as much as the rest of us

[omril]

Involving politcs with football is, of course, unnecessary. People who were waving palestinian flags during the game are jokes, and should be laughed at.

But anyway, I wanted to let you know that the israeli (zionist regime yada yada) attacks are directed only at members of terrorist organizations, while the palestinian attacks are ALWAYS DIRECTED AT CIVILIANS. They are the ones killing the babies (they didn't do that for quite a while, thanks to the wall).

[Nir_Arad]

Hi,

I'm Israeli. I been reading this forum since after the game, didn't think I'd actually write anything here, but this thread is really too hard to resist.

I always believed that when people meet face to face they get along. It's labels & ideologies & prejudgment that brings us the likes of Sylvio et al (and their parallels in Israel too, of course). The whole beauty and truth of Football is that it can let you see beyond that crap.

Every time Arab players like Abas Suan or Walid Badeer play for Israel, Jews & Arabs here get a glimpse of what we will achieve one day, when we work together.

When Sakhnin's home team became the first Arab hometown team to win the Israel Cup 2 years ago (Sakhnin players are a mix of Arab & Jews, like many other teams here), almost everyone here were taken in their joy. I can't remember ever seeing Jews & Arabs celebrating together like that in all my life here.

When my home team, Maccabi Haifa, was the first ever Israeli team in the Champions League, Jews and Arabs cheered & played for it together (we nearly got to 1/8 finals, if not for a certain dodgy goal keeper called Awat, btw...)

Playing together is the best answer to extremists of both sides. To bring politics into the game (especially, Sylvio, when you obviously have absolutely no clue what you're talking about) and turn Football into a scene of hatred is worse than stupid.


PS. since I'm already writing here anyway: nobody in Israel likes that red card. The time waste was stupid, too, you just end up with 7 minutes added time anyway. Other than that, I'm proud of the team. That's exactly how a team playing an away game against a stronger opponent would play. Talentwise, this generation of players is maybe one of the poorest Israel ever produced, but they more than make up with big hearts.

I wish you success tommorow night and in the rest of the matches. Hope both our teams will make it to the World Cup.

[redgav]

And would, say, a guy who threw a full pint at a woman be twice as courageous as a fellow who only threw a half?

good one conor

Bet those "righteous men" felt really big when their beer hit those women and kids, bet they felt they were real hero's

And what exactly is peacefull about Nazi salutes,beer throwing ,hitler songs ,and gas chamber songs.

Silvio - you sem to think this is some sort of thread to peddle your rubbish ideals.Its not .its about the disgusting and filthy inciting behavior of scumbags at the Ireland match .End Of

Instead of another bullsh!t post about zionism ,why not state yer case . Did YOU agree with scumbags showering passing women and Children on their way to a football match with beer ??

Do you agree with scumbags making NAZI salutes at a ffotball match ???

[stojkovic]

Involving politcs with football is, of course, unnecessary. People who were waving palestinian flags during the game are jokes, and should be laughed at.

But anyway, I wanted to let you know that the israeli (zionist regime yada yada) attacks are directed only at members of terrorist organizations, while the palestinian attacks are ALWAYS DIRECTED AT CIVILIANS. They are the ones killing the babies (they didn't do that for quite a while, thanks to the wall).

I know a little about the Mid East (not as much as you) and have watched historical doumentaries, read books etc. I do not want to get into a slagging match with you as I can see both sides of the story. But you CANNOT say that the Israeli attacks are ONLY aimed at terrorists (ie legitmate targets) - Shatilla ?. There are atrocities on BOTH sides so please admit it. As there was and still is in the Irish Troubles although some of my countrymen won't admit to it either.

[Karlos]

Did YOU agree with scumbags showering passing women and Children on their way to a football match with beer ??

Do you agree with scumbags making NAZI salutes at a ffotball match ???

Gav,

I've watched as this thread has disintegrated into a political slanging match and I'm glad your bringing it back on topic.

The behaviour of these people was dreadful and I hope every decent person realises that it is not the way to make a protest or stance against anything. I'm interested to see if the questions you have asked above will be answered or ignored.

regards

[stojkovic]

Hi,

I'm Israeli. I been reading this forum since after the game, didn't think I'd actually write anything here, but this thread is really too hard to resist.

I always believed that when people meet face to face they get along. It's labels & ideologies & prejudgment that brings us the likes of Sylvio et al (and their parallels in Israel too, of course). The whole beauty and truth of Football is that it can let you see beyond that crap.

Every time Arab players like Abas Suan or Walid Badeer play for Israel, Jews & Arabs here get a glimpse of what we will achieve one day, when we work together.

When Sakhnin's home team became the first Arab hometown team to win the Israel Cup 2 years ago (Sakhnin players are a mix of Arab & Jews, like many other teams here), almost everyone here were taken in their joy. I can't remember ever seeing Jews & Arabs celebrating together like that in all my life here.

When my home team, Maccabi Haifa, was the first ever Israeli team in the Champions League, Jews and Arabs cheered & played for it together (we nearly got to 1/8 finals, if not for a certain dodgy goal keeper called Awat, btw...)

Playing together is the best answer to extremists of both sides. To bring politics into the game (especially, Sylvio, when you obviously have absolutely no clue what you're talking about) and turn Football into a scene of hatred is worse than stupid.


PS. since I'm already writing here anyway: nobody in Israel likes that red card. The time waste was stupid, too, you just end up with 7 minutes added time anyway. Other than that, I'm proud of the team. That's exactly how a team playing an away game against a stronger opponent would play. Talentwise, this generation of players is maybe one of the poorest Israel ever produced, but they more than make up with big hearts.

I wish you success tommorow night and in the rest of the matches. Hope both our teams will make it to the World Cup.

Great post and well said.

[Plastic Paddy]

Admin?

Hello?

Moderators?

Sorry, I've been in a meeting. Enough, Silvio. Thread closed until further notice.

PP