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    I think he’s probably someone where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. There are no real standout attributes but he’s quick enough to have never seen him burnt for pace, there’s defensive flaws in his game but less than you’d imagine for a player his age. He’s a comfortable dribbler without it being a particular strong point of his. He’s a more technically smooth footballer than Coleman or Doherty I’d say. He’s also plenty gritty and tough too. Doesn’t shirk a 50-50 and can tackle. Crossing is good without being a Trent or a Finnan. There’s enough self confidence and determination and focus and drive.

    He’s far and away the best young right back we have coming through. And that’s probably the only position you could really say that about any player with certainty.

    There are plenty of fullbacks similar who tick all the boxes without standing out but I think, say compared to a Corey Whelan for example, everything is just that little bit better than most of them. Everything is a 7/10 or 8/10 rather than a 6/10 or 7/10 if you know what I mean.

    PI - out of curiosity, what outstanding attribute do you think Enda Stevens has of those?

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    Regardless of its low key nature too, he was exceptionally good in that friendly against Bulgaria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennedmc View Post
    he's obviously not at the level that some on here think he is. Blaming his agent? Come on! Wasn't he on the bench for Patrick last year
    to be fair he wasn't at Partick for that long. wasnt it 5 appearances in less than 8 weeks?

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    And Partick were in free fall at the time. Certainly not fair to judge him on that spell, he should never have been put in that position by Celtic.

    A full year at Tranmere will give us a much better idea of where he is at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elatedscum View Post
    I think he’s probably someone where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. There are no real standout attributes but he’s quick enough to have never seen him burnt for pace, there’s defensive flaws in his game but less than you’d imagine for a player his age. He’s a comfortable dribbler without it being a particular strong point of his. He’s a more technically smooth footballer than Coleman or Doherty I’d say. He’s also plenty gritty and tough too. Doesn’t shirk a 50-50 and can tackle. Crossing is good without being a Trent or a Finnan. There’s enough self confidence and determination and focus and drive.

    He’s far and away the best young right back we have coming through. And that’s probably the only position you could really say that about any player with certainty.

    There are plenty of fullbacks similar who tick all the boxes without standing out but I think, say compared to a Corey Whelan for example, everything is just that little bit better than most of them. Everything is a 7/10 or 8/10 rather than a 6/10 or 7/10 if you know what I mean.

    PI - out of curiosity, what outstanding attribute do you think Enda Stevens has of those?
    I agree on a that really. I've seen him live for the 21s and watched other games on TV and there's no doubting he's good, I'm just trying to reason why he didn't seem to make an impact at Celtic and the loan spell wasn't great. In fairness, I remember seeing Coleman for the 21's a few times and he was a liability (I think there's probably quote on here somewhere from me on that) despite the fact he was excellent every time I saw him in league of Ireland. Never easy to judge at that age. Stevens is an interesting one, wouldn't have been as good at that age, and technically probably isn't as good, but he's quicker I think and he's gone and developed himself into a physically strong player with an unbelievable engine. The fact he was a slow developer makes him a good comparison I think, O'Connor could well develop similar physicality, stamina and maybe even get quicker. Stevens delivery has gotten much better over the years too.

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    In his situation any move was a good move. I feared for his career if he had another year of reserves at Celtic. Big year for him though, he needs to show hes capable of playing mens football

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    Quote Originally Posted by passinginterest View Post
    I agree on a that really. I've seen him live for the 21s and watched other games on TV and there's no doubting he's good, I'm just trying to reason why he didn't seem to make an impact at Celtic and the loan spell wasn't great. In fairness, I remember seeing Coleman for the 21's a few times and he was a liability (I think there's probably quote on here somewhere from me on that) despite the fact he was excellent every time I saw him in league of Ireland. Never easy to judge at that age. Stevens is an interesting one, wouldn't have been as good at that age, and technically probably isn't as good, but he's quicker I think and he's gone and developed himself into a physically strong player with an unbelievable engine. The fact he was a slow developer makes him a good comparison I think, O'Connor could well develop similar physicality, stamina and maybe even get quicker. Stevens delivery has gotten much better over the years too.
    I think, generally, basing a player's career prospects on this plain of talent on where they are when they're 20 is a fool's errand. These are the critical years in a player's career and they've a lot of development paths they can take. Doherty and Stevens are two contrasting examples of where you can go and end up in the same place.

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    Played for Tranmere in a friendly against Warrington on Saturday: https://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/new...-match-report/
    Tranmere lost 3-0, O'Connor was taken off before the end
    Last edited by tetsujin1979; 24/08/2020 at 8:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    I think, generally, basing a player's career prospects on this plain of talent on where they are when they're 20 is a fool's errand. These are the critical years in a player's career and they've a lot of development paths they can take. Doherty and Stevens are two contrasting examples of where you can go and end up in the same place.
    I don't necessarily disagree with you but I would highlight the fact that Doherty and Stevens weren't coached in a full-time system until they were both 18 or maybe 19. O'Connor was in the United set up at 16. Might not make a huge pile of difference but a lot of our LOI alumni in the Ireland squad have been slightly older when establishing themselves at that level. That said, one could counter that by referring to John Egan having a PL schooling yet the same amount of caps as Doherty and is a similar age.

    I'm probably talking myself up in knots there.

    Anyway, I saw a furore on YBIG over O'Connor with Celtic fans writing him off and claiming others were over-hyping him and other lads castigating Lennon for not giving our young lads a chance. It might be too early to say O'Connor made the wrong decision going there. Let's see how this season goes. At 20, he has a lot of time on his side. And he has plenty talent too. We have seen how Obafemi, Idah and Connolly have almost spurned eachother on and now Parrott has taken the plunge for senior football. Hopefully O'Connor sees his old pal from the Déise, Molumby, make his senior international and PL bows soon and he pushes on too.

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    Doesn't seem to be near Tranmere squad at moment, is he injured? Thought he'd appeared in a number of their friendlies.

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    Started at the weekend, kept a clean sheet: https://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/new...ansfield-town/
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    Ah ok, good stuff, looked their match up on google and the full back is down as C. Lee!! Wierd. He's been in team for last while so, which is great, a player who needs games.

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