Quoteyes when Katanec who was the coach was decked by Zahovic and he was sent home from the World Cup. Some say Katanec got the bottle to send him home from McCarthy's alleged handling of the Langer in Saipan situationOriginally Posted by Poor Student
they got relegated how did you hear of them
The Name Deportivo Wanka is hilarious Jorge
yes when Katanec who was the coach was decked by Zahovic and he was sent home from the World Cup. Some say Katanec got the bottle to send him home from McCarthy's alleged handling of the Langer in Saipan situation
A clash of egos there really. He seemed to resent Zahovic's big influence and name and Zahovic was sick of him picking his same useless cronies. Once they got rid of Katenec Zaho was brought back and was pretty ineffective. He left Benfica by mutual consent in December and to the best of my knowledge has not found a club. Magnificent goal tally for a midfielder for a minnow international team.yes when Katanec who was the coach was decked by Zahovic and he was sent home from the World Cup. Some say Katanec got the bottle to send him home from McCarthy's alleged handling of the Langer in Saipan situation
I think the key point here is 'into the game', not into the Eircom League necessarily. I think it's wrong for anyone to label the thousands of coahes, referrees, mentors, administrators etc who spend so much time organising and developing the game in this country and who maybe just don't support an E.L. team as ruining the game or being non-supportive in this country. But yes i must agree with you, people who can and do not contribute to Irish Football in some way should hang their heads
I make my point. however in relation to people like me who don't attend LOI games regulary but am a sincere supporter of the grass roots development of football in this country. I don't believe you have to be an eircom league season ticket holder to be a heavy or worthy supporter of football in this country. Given the track record of many of the LOI clubs and the FAI which I have witnessed first hand of re-distributing the wealth down to grass roots level - I would rather pump my hard earned cash into upgrading my coaching skills and buying new equipment. I spent most of my free time coaching kids and adults in this country - and then get accused of not being a supporter of Irish Football because I follow a family tradition and support an english football club.
It appears that some people here (not directing this at you btw), seem to think you can only be a contributor to Irish Football by supporting an Eircom league team. I believe the money and time I put into football in this country goes as far if not further into the development of the game than a season ticket or a spending spree at the club shop. I see the reward of my financial input instantly.
I'm certainly not saying don't support an Eircom League team and if that's your passion great - but people really should think about how the game in this country needs to progress. Larger attendences will not change the problems of developing football overnight - people need to get hands on and do something about it imo. I've friends who coach at E.L junior clubs and have yet to see any re-distribution of the money they must have made from their recent european adventures. Much like the FAI, at times you wonder where the money is really going?
Last edited by Karlos; 30/05/2005 at 8:28 AM.
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You bare not comparing like with like. We have not been exposed to Malaysian football and we have no cultural links to Malaysia. Its a bit like asking why haven't Real Madrid supporters clubs popped up???And if I came on here and said I supported Negeri Sembilan, a club team in Malaysia, 90% of you supporters of Brit teams on here would rip the p!ss out of me. Why? Because it is a highly rediculous notion that an Irishman would support a team in fookin' Malaysia. Hence I don't understand Irish people supporting foreign teams while being so dismissive of the game being played down the street. Can you imagine how much better the game would be here, if every person in this country who supports teams overseas, stopped spending their money on jersies of foreign teams, and two or three yearly trips across the Irish Sea (just to help convince themselves that they are "real" supporters) on season tickets and jersies of teams here? But hey!!!, as long as the team from the city, that you have absolutely no connection with whatsoever, are winning trophies - it doesn't matter that the sport is struggling in your own country....
Again it comes back to choice and if you like the free market. Everyone has the right to do as they please and no amount of moaning from yourself will change that. I might not have much in common with a Liverpool supporter who just watches his team on the television but I respect their right to do that. You'll find alot of such supporterts have really an 'interest' as opposed to a passion for the game. Nothing wrong with that either.
I may not have a birth connection with Nottingham but it is my club and I'll continue to support them regardless of what division they are in and regardless of peoples bigoted opinions.
As I have siad before if we're really going to be patriotic lets just stick to the GAA and leave the 'foreign games' all together.
just back from a footy tournie in nottingham - big let down i have to stay. couldn't find an off-licence for about an hour walking around the city (too stock up for 'afters' drinking. went to a bar in a converted church cant remember the name, good pub (bar itself was poorly laid out) and then to a nightclub called media - total let down there - absolute dump.One weekend in Nottingham's Nightclubs will make anyone a Forest fan for life...
as for the topic being discussed (which appears to be different from the original topic) - i dont see any need to force people into suporting eL clubs. it is the club's responsibility to attract fans. everyone has free choice, and if someone would rather sit in a pub and have a few pints and watch football being played by players he has never seen in the flesh or ever will - then eL clubs should ask why is this more pleasureable than going and watching live football being played at their grounds?
as for people in supporters clubs for non-fashionable british/foreign clubs - fair play to them. it costs a hell of a lot more to support these teams than to support an eL team, so their support and passion must be genuine, and good luck to them
The church is called the 'Pitcher and Piano' to be honest its grand for a once off novelty visit but is over priced with no atmosphere. You're right media is rubbish although during the university year is a good spot.
Surprised you couldn't get booze as most newsagents sell booze!
Best bars are around market square and down by the waterfront. The Walkabout is a cracking spot on a Saturday night.
eventually got our beer from a newsagents - at a good price too!
passed by walkabout, but one of the lads down with us has a deep-rooted hatred for the edinburgh walkabout, so we didn't even try to convince him to go in. market square area seemed like it was good alright plenty of people about anyway. a few of the other offices down fo the tournie said they had great nights in other clubs - we just seemed to be the eejits who choose to go to media!
Would this argument also apply to players then? Every Irish player that ever went to England to play, they went for money, making them sell-outs effectively. Why would they care about team from a city that they have no connection with whatsoever. Why bother supporting the national sell-out 11 following on from that, and so forth.if every person in this country who supports teams overseas, stopped spending their money on jersies of foreign teams, and two or three yearly trips across the Irish Sea (just to help convince themselves that they are "real" supporters) on season tickets and jersies of teams here? But hey!!!, as long as the team from the city, that you have absolutely no connection with whatsoever, are winning trophies - it doesn't matter that the sport is struggling in your own country....
Eircom football suffers when they leave yet not a word is mentioned, but when a fan does it he's castigated. Some of you need to get over yourselves and your double standards.
No my argument doesn't apply to players if it did I would have written "supports/plays". Players play to earn a living - of course they'll go to England or elsewhere if they can get 5 figure sum per week - thats commonsense. A point worth making though, if there was increased support at Eircom League games teams would be better placed financially to prevent the exodus of players.
As for your "national sell-out eleven" point - half of them weren't even born here.
I agree with the restof your arguments firmly, however, this is just a lazy, inconsiderate statement.
I wasn't born in Ireland, but i sure as fúck know who I'd choose to play for between England and Ireland, just as Kevin Kilbane was, and Jason Mcateer and many other users of these forums would be if asked.
The national side would be a hell of a lot weaker minus the 2Gs in it, and the sooner people can comfortably accept this the better.
Jofy, you will notice that I didn't say "half of them aren't even Irish", hence I said "half of them weren't even born here" (which does not raise questions of nationality) which inturn means they can't be "sell-outs" to the EL. Indeed I shouldn't have even said "born here" considering it should have been "there". Also considering my son was born here in the states...well lets just say, I know where yer coming from.
Can't be arsed reading the whole thread, but just wondering did many of these forest fans start supporting them around the late 70's early 80's? ffs Forest were a relatively good team to the early 90's.
Great you support a team that is now shít, doesn't mean they were when you chose them...
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Top players in the eircom league earn 2 grand a week upwards, and as with all top sporting types would have cushy jobs waiting for them once they finished playing so to be honest they are obviously money grabbing sell outs. If a any man argues that he cannot live on that, he's talking through his hole. If those players did stay, the eircom league would be a better product and attract more support, and they'd increase yet further their earning potential. Do not be so quick to hark on about supporters when the players themselves are are doing the exact same thing.Players play to earn a living - of course they'll go to England or elsewhere if they can get 5 figure sum per week - thats commonsense. A point worth making though, if there was increased support at Eircom League games teams would be better placed financially to prevent the exodus of players
Began supporting them in 1988 when I was 12 and yes they were successful and yes that was a consideration. Kids tend to pick successful teams!!! There are other reasons namely Brian Clough and the whole Robin Hood thing as well.
Forest were good right up to the mid 1990s. I think they finished 3rd in 1995 or 1996 when they had Collymore.
There is a big difference between a supporter and a player. A footballer is doing a job and like anybody he will look around for the best wages etc. he also must take into account improving as a player and if he wants to represent his country playing at a higher level is important. Supporters are different. We dont get paid to go to games and we dont improve as supporters by been more successful etc. To draw a link between the two and to call it double standards is rubbish. Dancinpants is right, if fans spent their money on EL rather than EPL, the domestic game in Ireland would be a lot better off. But then again it is easier to watch a game from your sitting room rather then go to a game every week. There is nothing wrong with taking an interest in other leagues and watching football on the tv as nobody here is calling for a Chinese cultural revolution type situation. Freedom is very important and people have the right to support whoever they like. But I suppose it comes down to this basic scenario,
If Man Utd/Liverpool/Celtic/Spurs/Arsenal etc etc. were playing against
Cork City/Shels/Bohs/Shamrock Rovers etc, who would people cheer for.
I lookout for spurs results in the EPL mainly due to Chris Hughton and the Irish players at teh club etc. However I would always go for the Eircom league side ahead of the English team.
In Trap we trust
No arguement, but I've heard people who follow clubs like Forest or Wednesday or City taking the moral high ground and saying they're not glory hunters like United/Arse/Scouse fans are - most of them started following them when they were actually relatively good teams not when they were crap.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
So what??? What the problem with that???
Would never take the high ground and support everyone's right to chose who they support no matter what.
It's some of the sanctimonious preaching from EL Zealots that gets me going!!! Some of you are as bad as any GAA Bigot.
Just noticed this, I was also born in the UK. People like McAteer, Aldridge, Houghton made a career choice to play for Ireland, and devalue the national team. They're very different from the likes of Kilbane, Alan Kelly, and (yes even if he's not a personal favourite) McCarthy who always considered themselves irish - pretty much like you and me. I really don't see how people can't grasp the difference....
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
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