QuoteNow the personal abuse starts. No need for that.
go on the poolOriginally Posted by macdermesser
Last edited by barglee; 26/05/2005 at 11:50 AM.
Now the personal abuse starts. No need for that.
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I am glad in a way that he was injured because where would it leave him in the pecking order, being taken off instead of Traore who had a dreadful first half (though sound enough in the 2nd half).
An irish flag seen at an english club's game in Europe making someone sick - amazing!
Hope these Irish fans stand by their convictions and boycott the irish games where players who play for english clubs are playing - couldn't be seen to support an irishman who earns a living and pays taxes in the Queens Country!
Seeing all those Irish players playing for English clubs must really infuriate too. I mean they go over there to earn a living, play in one of the best leagues of the world, win some major trophies and then come home to represent the country they love to fans who don't want them to have any support from their fellow country men while their playing in a major final for one of those 'english' clubs who have a history of developing talented Irish footballers to a world class level over many many years.
Everything that I hate about Irish football supporters displayed in 1 post - pathetic.
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I have to be honest. I don't like the persona you have on this board and you annoy me (you're a gooner no?) but you hit the nail on the head there. Well done.An irish flag seen at an english club's game in Europe making someone sick - amazing!
Hope these Irish fans stand by their convictions and boycott the irish games where players who play for english clubs are playing - couldn't be seen to support an irishman who earns a living and pays taxes in the Queens Country!
Seeing all those Irish players playing for English clubs must really infuriate too. I mean they go over there to earn a living, play in one of the best leagues of the world, win some major trophies and then come home to represent the country they love to fans who don't want them to have any support from their fellow country men while their playing in a major final for one of those 'english' clubs who have a history of developing talented Irish footballers to a world class level over many many years.
Everything that I hate about Irish football supporters displayed in 1 post - pathetic.
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Originally Posted by macdermesser
something slightly pathetic seeing Irish guys in Liverpool jerseys celebrating like it was the best night of their lives. ....
What kind of pointless, mindless statements! You are pretty much guaranteed to see an Irish Flag at most Prem games (and one or two at Celtic games) What makes last nite different from that point of view. So can we take it that you don't support a British team for political reasons???
"Inflatable hammers and Leprechaun suits, & a chorus of "Here we go" or Olé, Olé"....
Well yes, I am a Gooner, comes in second after being a proud Irish man. I'm sure your not the first I have annoyed but I make no excuses for telling it as I see it, be that right or wrong. If i was on foot.ie and saying nice things and agreeing with everyone all the time I wouldn't be being true to myself. I'd like to think I keep at at 'healthy debate' level rather than personal attacks.
Anyways, I'll savour this moment as I time when I didn't annoy you!
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I did actually soften my remark by saying that in a global football scene that its not only peculiar to Ireland for grown men to spend huge amounts of money on buying English/Italian/Scottish whatever merchandising or travelling to games.
Anyway, obviously everyone is free to support whoever they want. My own personal viewpoint, shared by some like NeilMcD, is that I am amazed at how some people can relate so passionately to an English/scottish/german/italian football club. I can understand children supporting English teams because its on the tv and its so glamourous etc and they have little fragile personalities that need to be associated with things like successful football teams .. but how can a grown man identify and spend so much money on watching Liverpool.
I can understand having an interest in a team, or even wanting a certain team to win .. but I thought passionately supporting a team was based on a tangible attachment to the team in question ... e.g. do people down in Cork support the Dublin gaelic football team?
This fanaticism of some Liverpool fans is not always translated over to the national team .. I wonder how many of the lads who went out to Istanbul make the same effort to go Ireland away matches. And while there are always exceptions, I can't imagine too many EL fans travelling to see Liverpool play as well. I love watching English football too, but I certainly would not break down in tears after watching Liverpool win the European cup. I certainly don't expect to be verbally abused by an Irish lad in a Liverpool jersey for clapping Crespo's sublime finish for the third goal last night.
I was at the game and it was fantastic. I'm an Arsenal fan (behind being an Irish fan obviously) and I screamed myself hoarse for Liverpool last night. Their fans are fantastic.
Finnan was unlucky as Traore was playing far worse. Neither full back got forward much in the first half and it was noticeable that there was a huge gap between the Liverpool attack & their defence.
I think they were under orders last night not to commit too many bodies forward for fear of Milan's counter attacking. Obviously going 3-0 down changed that! We didn't hear anything about injuries, so I had just assumed Finnan was sacrificed because he wanted to bring Hamann on.
Is he definitely injured?
An irish flag seen at an english club's game in Europe making someone sick - amazing!
Hope these Irish fans stand by their convictions and boycott the irish games where players who play for english clubs are playing - couldn't be seen to support an irishman who earns a living and pays taxes in the Queens Country!
Seeing all those Irish players playing for English clubs must really infuriate too. I mean they go over there to earn a living, play in one of the best leagues of the world, win some major trophies and then come home to represent the country they love to fans who don't want them to have any support from their fellow country men while their playing in a major final for one of those 'english' clubs who have a history of developing talented Irish footballers to a world class level over many many years.
Everything that I hate about Irish football supporters displayed in 1 post - pathetic.
Don't turn it into a nationalist thing...and Darren Potter in recent times?)
Maybe next time you could respond to a post by debating (e.g why you are an Arsenal fan for example, and hwo you identify with them still) and not trying to score cheap points on lumping people who question other people's mindset into being a red hot republican.
A well made argument mate and I take your points.
Can't speak about Liverpool fans but I can tell you why I have a fanatical support for Arsenal. My Auntie emigrated to London in the 60's and lived in Islington,which contained a strong Irish Community. My first vist to Highbury was in the summer of 1979 - i didn't know it at the time though, i wasn't born until December 1979!
As a family we made regular trips to London to visit my Auntie and always incorporated a trip to Arsenal or the buying of a club banner into the visit. I never attended Eircom League soccer, or gaelic or Rugby. I played them all but never went. I went to Ireland matches thanks to my uncle who used to do the catering at Lansdowne back in the day. The only time other than that i got to see a football ground was seeing the outside of Highbury on trips to London. I've been passionate about them since that age and my brother for even more years. We have a stronger family tie to Arsenal than any of the existing eircom clubs and now being members of the club along with my brother and newly joined niece and nephew, that family tie continues.
It all started with my aunt, was strengthend by O'Leary, Brady and Stapleton with my Brother and has continued long past my aunt's death....
I belive it when people say you can't choose your club, it chooses you. So many things conspired for me to become an Arsenal fan. Maybe it's not the same for others but that's how it was for us. I'm proud to be Irish and proud to follow Arsenal.
Last edited by Karlos; 26/05/2005 at 1:24 PM.
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I agree a player should be able to play for whatever team he wants to and fair play to any player for been employed by English Scottish or Italian Clubs or whatever it may be. But I dont see why Irish people get so worked up about Foreign clubs, whether that is Man Utd, Celtic, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool or Sheff Wed or Wimbledon or who ever it is. I dont see why the Irish flag should have been at the ground last night. It was Liverpool who were there representing the club and their country which is Britain. Last night I reckon all the pubs in Ireland were packed with people supporting a foreign team and these people would be crying last night and probably hungover this moring and saying things like the greatest momemtn in my life etc. I watch football whether it be Spanish, Italian English etc. as a dispassionate oberver. I would never get worked up by a foreign team to such a state where it would effect my mood. However when Ireland play my mood alters, in relation to whether they win or lose. The same people who were crying last night or cheering on Liverpool etc are the similar people who boo Ronaldo, or Baros or a Rangers player. It is that mentality that makes me sick. Letting Foreign club loyalties effect their watching of a international match.
I believe in the EU and I belive that transfer of labour etc is healthy and that people should be able to earn a living in whatever country they want to. If people find my views offensive so be it however a guy at work today did not turn in as he was beaten up last night by football fans with red shirts on. What sort of mentality would make an Irish person get so worked up about a foreign club winning a football match.
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Macdermesser, I understand your point re grown men etc. but I think that's just football...why do so many grown men in general follow football so passionately? Plenty of psychologists have asked the same question (as well as untold number of girlfriends/wifes!) and why we "bond " with a particular club's identity. The fact that there are Irish Flags in a crowd of British club just shows a strong national identity of those fans and their support for players of their national team, given that they have a strong club identity already.
Why can an Irishman can be so passsionate about a foreign team? The question is why can anyone be passionate about any team?
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To be honest, I repsonded to a sensationlist line that said something like 'seeing irish flags makes me sick'. There was no debate offered with that. i offered a reply based on what I read. Had 'other people's' mindsets being explored in that post then I'll openly debate it as I've done on my last post.
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Maybe they were Shels fans!!!
I'm joking, I'm joking.
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i havent got a problem with people who support english/scottish teams, once they go to games regularly enough. Whoever people support is up to them
one thing that I do have a problem with though is alot of the idiots out celebrating liverpools great win last night. I know people who have never even been to Anfield in their life or who have only been once or twice yet they were telling me this morning that last night was the greatest night of their lives
There have been some ridiculous debates on this website but this really takes the medal. A guy supports Liverpool. They get to the Champions' League final. He saves up the cash and goes to Istanbul. He brings his tricolour to show that he's Irish and to get it onto tele so maybe his mates will recognise him at home. Or maybe because he likes the flag and being Irish or whatever and likes waving it. Big deal. That is that.
I'm all for discussion about identity, politics, etc, but this 'debate' is a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by macdermesser
something slightly pathetic seeing Irish guys in Liverpool jerseys celebrating like it was the best night of their lives. ....
What kind of pointless, mindless statements! You are pretty much guaranteed to see an Irish Flag at most Prem games (and one or two at Celtic games
Last night was no different, I dont like to see the irish flag flown at foreign club games. Whether that be Celtic or Liverpool or anybody. I dont support any foreign team. I have a soft spot for Spurs at the moment as they have a few Irish lads there and Chris Hughton has conntected to the club. However I would not save money or travel to see them play in Europe as any money I had woudl be kept for the Irish national team. I would definately not bring my tricolour to an English league game or a match where an Irish team is not playing.
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A well made argument mate and I take your points.
Can't speak about Liverpool fans but I can tell you why I have a fanatical support for Arsenal. My Auntie emigrated to London in the 60's and lived in Islington,which contained a strong Irish Community. My first vist to Highbury was in the summer of 1979 - i didn't know it at the time though, i wasn't born until December 1979!
As a family we made regular trips to London to visit my Auntie and always incorporated a trip to Arsenal or the buying of a club banner into the visit. I never attended Eircom League soccer, or gaelic or Rugby. I played them all but never went. I went to Ireland matches thanks to my uncle who used to do the catering at Lansdowne back in the day. The only time other than that i got to see a football ground was seeing the outside of Highbury on trips to London. I've been passionate about them since that age and my brother for even more years. We have a stronger family tie to Arsenal than any of the existing eircom clubs and now being members of the club along with my brother and newly joined niece and nephew, that family tie continues.
It all started with my aunt, was strengthend by O'Leary, Brady and Stapleton with my Brother and has continued long past my aunt's death....
I belive it when people say you can't choose your club, it chooses you. So many things conspired for me to become an Arsenal fan. Maybe it's not the same for others but that's how it was for us. I'm proud to be Irish and proud to follow Arsenal.
Cheers Karlos for the reply enjoyed reading it and I can understand you affinity with Arsenal and I understand you reasons for supporting Arsenal.. but I don't understand the passion. Maybe I am getting too old!
Tired_and_emotional .. it's a good question .. "The question is why can anyone be passionate about any team? "
Could this need of men and some women to be tribal, don colours, vent frustration, have the feeling of going into battle, supporting something bigger and more glorious than themselves, sharing the highs and lows be not channelled into something more worthwhile? And all the money associated with it?
I guess its a good control mechanism for the masses... get people in whatever country all worked up about stuff that is not important, and have them apathetic and ignorant about the things that matter. A dangerous generalisation again .. as there are numerous exceptions.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Say that lad N'do from Shels was playing against Depor in the final qualifying match for the CL and the Cameroon community were in the crowd watching him play and they had a Cameroon flag at the ground would you be laughing at them too? Because that would amount to the same thing no?
Remember that up until recently the League of Ireland was a joke and that discouraged people from supporting their local club. Why should men of 30 stop supporting a club they have supported for the guts of 20 years just because the eL is getting its act together now.
I don't understand YOUR mentality. It's as if just because there happens to be a soccer club in your area , that you must support them (eg Limerick). There are literally thousands of people who support the Junior game down there but won't support Limerick fc because the "pro" club hasn't deserved it.
I'm not saying that you do it necessarily, but there are many people in this city/country/forum who have this holier-than-thou attitude just because they support an eL team. And that sickens me.
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