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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    Have to hand it to Foley for giving it large celebrating in front of them when he scored the winner.
    I always love a bit of player engagement with opposition fans, even laughed at HOOOOOban rubbing his belly in Tallaght when he scored last year as the fans had been slagging him about his "physique"
    Foley seemed to only rile them up further, as the bottles, lighters, cans and flares ended up thrown at players and Harps officials after the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    Big crowd outside the Brandywell tonight. Hope you weren't part of the 50 or 60 people gathered tightly together with no masks on tonight..
    Such whataboutery justifies nothing Nigel! Across the board condemnation of any fans the flout lockdown restrictions is the only response, not pointing the finger. The irony if such reckless behaviour causes an extension to BCD games would undoubtedly be lost on such morons be they from Donegal, Derry, Dundalk or that pathetic anti-lockdown bunch protesting in Cork and their ilk (Who'd have ever thought the not wearing masks would become a bedrock of civil disobedience for the usual loudmouths that protest on everything...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    Such whataboutery justifies nothing Nigel! Across the board condemnation of any fans the flout lockdown restrictions is the only response, not pointing the finger. The irony if such reckless behaviour causes an extension to BCD games would undoubtedly be lost on such morons be they from Donegal, Derry, Dundalk or that pathetic anti-lockdown bunch protesting in Cork and their ilk (Who'd have ever thought the not wearing masks would become a bedrock of civil disobedience for the usual loudmouths that protest on everything...)
    I'm merely pointing out the irony of repeated posts by same Derry fans who have pointed the finger at Harps since behind closed doors games started.

    There were a ridiculous amount of Derry fans crowded into a very tight space last night, some of which cause bother after the game, yet it's tumbleweed. Handful of Harps fans gather behind the fence at Finn Park, either rightly or wrongly, and it's mentioned on social media, brought up by Gardai, and mentioned time and time again on sites like this one by some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    I'm merely pointing out the irony of repeated posts by same Derry fans who have pointed the finger at Harps since behind closed doors games started.

    There were a ridiculous amount of Derry fans crowded into a very tight space last night, some of which cause bother after the game, yet it's tumbleweed. Handful of Harps fans gather behind the fence at Finn Park, either rightly or wrongly, and it's mentioned on social media, brought up by Gardai, and mentioned time and time again on sites like this one by some people.
    Wrongly! At Finn Park and the Brandywell.

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    From chatting to one of our stewards the other nite in Bishopsgate we reckon it will be max 200 like last season. Wouldnt trust a word out of MMs mouth tbh. It will be probably next season before fans will be allowed in according to wot I was told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinho II View Post
    From chatting to one of our stewards the other nite in Bishopsgate we reckon it will be max 200 like last season. Wouldnt trust a word out of MMs mouth tbh. It will be probably next season before fans will be allowed in according to wot I was told.
    I could regret being optimistic on this again as of course all of this is in flux. We are moving quite well now with vaccinations, by the end of this month we hope to be moving well in to the 40's age cohort. By the end of June, especially if the J&J vaccine lands, we could be good to go with reduced crowds initially. FAI plans submitted are doable, if a decision hadnt been demanded on the EURO20 games we probably could have had a restricted attendance in June/July (no loss anyway!!). There are a couple of angles in the mix - blotting copybooks with groups gathering outside grounds during BCD games, or looking to control things by allowing some attend games. It will mean a change in old habits eg people crowding in on top of each other in The Shed in Oriel or Turners Cross. If distancing doesnt happen in these areas they will be closed as a first resort and then back to BCD if there is ongoing non compliance. It will be up to individual clubs how they allocate tickets but there wont be ticket sales on the day and people will have to permit screening (temps taken, signing in with contact details etc). Different levels will happen for different regions/clubs so if clubs can agree to that its progress - currently Donegal/Derry would be BCD but not Longford for example. There is an argument for treating games like cup fixtures where gate receipts get split. Different grounds will have different plans obviously, its also in the pipes that 2 or 3 games could be held at the one spot. Monitoring trends from other sports and countries will drive the nitty gritty of things so its a wait and see. The big thing is that there is no p1ssing match between clubs and especially different sports as there are a few noses out of joint currently and want to assert themselves. Crowds gathering unofficially is being measured as a guide to the likelihood of compliance going forward!!!!

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    I can't see how we wouldn't have partial attendences by end of the summer to be honest. Full attendence should be on the cards from September onwards. Worth noting that vaccine supply has doubled the last few weeks and will only increase further with J&J as Nesta points out. Vaccinations for 25-35 are due to start in July and finish in September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    I could regret being optimistic on this again as of course all of this is in flux. We are moving quite well now with vaccinations, by the end of this month we hope to be moving well in to the 40's age cohort. By the end of June, especially if the J&J vaccine lands, we could be good to go with reduced crowds initially. FAI plans submitted are doable, if a decision hadnt been demanded on the EURO20 games we probably could have had a restricted attendance in June/July (no loss anyway!!). There are a couple of angles in the mix - blotting copybooks with groups gathering outside grounds during BCD games, or looking to control things by allowing some attend games. It will mean a change in old habits eg people crowding in on top of each other in The Shed in Oriel or Turners Cross. If distancing doesnt happen in these areas they will be closed as a first resort and then back to BCD if there is ongoing non compliance. It will be up to individual clubs how they allocate tickets but there wont be ticket sales on the day and people will have to permit screening (temps taken, signing in with contact details etc). Different levels will happen for different regions/clubs so if clubs can agree to that its progress - currently Donegal/Derry would be BCD but not Longford for example. There is an argument for treating games like cup fixtures where gate receipts get split. Different grounds will have different plans obviously, its also in the pipes that 2 or 3 games could be held at the one spot. Monitoring trends from other sports and countries will drive the nitty gritty of things so its a wait and see. The big thing is that there is no p1ssing match between clubs and especially different sports as there are a few noses out of joint currently and want to assert themselves. Crowds gathering unofficially is being measured as a guide to the likelihood of compliance going forward!!!!
    In Rovers case splitting receipts wouldn’t work as we have approx 1500 paid for season ticket holders - Tallaght will initially have a max of 500 spectators with places allocated by lottery so don’t think we’ll want to share any of receipts already collected

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    I agree tbh and not sure how it is workable unless the FAI state that league games are to be treated like cup games which would be a 'mare for clubs. Its being mooted as a softener in the event of regional differences for example. If it becomes an all or nothing situation clubs will have to play ball somehow unless another wedge of money appears and thats likely to to be weighted toward those that are most restricted.

    *should have said here that a number of games in the national stadium is to both maximise crowds, accommodate members/season ticket holders. and to help clubs that otherwise be under BCD protocol. Doable when restrictions are lifted on travel within ones own county. I happen to like the idea of the AVIVA holding 3 league games on a Saturday with say season ticketholders allowed,
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    honestly think we have lost the plot as a country, there is zero leadership from Govt.
    We should be allowing people who have been vaccinated to go to matches but instead our woke Government are worrying about discriminating against people that refuse a vaccine.
    There is a thing called acceptable risk in life and with the country being run by Herr Houlihan and the politicians afraid to upset social media by taking any stance we will drag out reopening for months. We now have 34 people in ICU across 30 hospitals

    Yes im fed up

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    I think that's very easy to say from behind a keyboard though.

    Being vaccinated doesn't mean you can't catch and spread the virus first off.

    Secondly, how do you prove you're vaccinated? How do stewards spot fake certificates (or whatever)? Look at the flight from India to Hong Kong last month where everyone had negative tests getting onboard, but in Hong Kong tests showed 52 had covid.

    Is it really that much of a deal to wait until, say, 70-80% of the population are vaccinated, and let the country re-open in stages as we get to that point?

    We saw around Christmas how quickly this thing can take off - and with cases of the Indian variant now being reported here as well, I think caution is still very much advised.

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    The EU are bringing in vacine passports which will save us from our pathetic politicians who will listen to their masters as they are more afraid of them then the medics.

    Catch and spread it to who? average age for deaths is mid 80's and we are now vaccinating 60 year olds.
    Im not saying we open up everything right now but there is a reason why cases are still at 400-500 for ages but hospital admissions are going down down down, the people likely to die or get really sick are vacinated by now. Yes that doesnt mean everyone is 100% safe but life isnt 100% safe.

    The problem is when arguing this POV you align yourself with some right nutjobs.
    Wanting a reasonable balance of risks shouldnt be controversial
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    Im still getting over the scam in Indonesia(?) where used nasal swabs were being washed and reused - spew worthy stuff!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    Catch and spread it to who? average age for deaths is mid 80's and we are now vaccinating 60 year olds.
    The outcomes of covid aren't die or be grand. It can cause potentially serious long-term lung damage to anyone, particularly asthmatics or obese people (which is quite a lot of the population). I know of people who've gotten it and a month or two later could barely walk around the block before being exhausted. The Indian variant apparently affects younger people more than previous variants, and we don't know if the vaccine is effective against it. That would only be exacerbated if ICU filled up as quickly as it did the last time.

    I don't think you've demonstrated that (a) documentation can't be forged (which is exactly what is happening) and (b)that what you're proposing is a reasonably balance of risks. Talk of "pathetic politicians who will listen to their masters" and the likes sounds great, but doesn't actually mean anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    Herr Houlihan
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    The problem is when arguing this POV you align yourself with some right nutjobs.
    You haven't blown your cover yet - they all think you're on their side.
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
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    It's not nuts to ask for a bit of balance and some leadership from our politicians who were actually elected and not a CMO with a tunnel vision.

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    In the case of a pandemic, I'm 100% in favour of listening to a senior medical guy who attained his position on the grounds of competence rather than politicians who said they'd fill in a few potholes.

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