Scrufil, there were around 25 vaccines in stage 3 trials mentioned by the WHO in August (I think), so the Brits will not have anything like as much leverage as that. Besides, given the pharma manufacturing capacity here, we're hardly toothless on that front.
The Brits are in no position to push the issue out too far as they are really on the edge both on covid and brexit. I think they expected EU solidarity to fold long before now so are throwing the toys out of the pram. Dont blink and they'll quietly go and sit on the bold step! As John mentions, biopharma production capacity here could be a significant factor in negotiations too.
I shouldnt go near a subject like 'assisted suicide' as it's a very personal and emotive issue. Its a poor title to have been used as it evokes ummm different associations. If somthing like 'compassionate end of life support' had been used there would be less fear and anguish caused, generally among those who are not actually in the situation where such consideration is happening. DNRs, withdrawing various therapeutics, administering necessary pain relief for acute, severe pain, at end of life times, that will all hasten end of life situations, could all be classed as 'assisted suicide', even murder, if someone wants to class this or see it all in that way, but it happens to prevent unnecessary suffering for patients and indeed loved ones.
There will be balances and checks in any proposal, and 'assisted suicide' is not a forgone conclusion that will become a proocol, eg 2 or 3 consultant agreement that a person has a terminal illness and is entering an end of life phase. That pain and suffering is an absolute for this person. Psychiatry and Psychology specialists will be involved with patient and family. That the patient has a back out option. It's often presented as an argument against, that patients will choose this option to not be a burden to family. My experience and the evidence shows that loved ones are most likely to seek to overturn decisions like DNRs, 'assisted suicide', compassionate treatment, and so on when it comes to the moment. Its does step on peoples consciences which is good as its shows the greater need to preserve life and its not an easy decision.
Things happen every day in healthcare that would seem barbaric to those not trained in the how, what, why. I think that the medical profession can be rubbish at explaining things, try to use terms that minimise emotion but can actually do the opposite. The vast majority of healthcare people are seriously compassionate, if they come across as 'out of touch' with emotional issues it is more than likely their coping mechanism as its easier to be talk about a case than about a person! Doesnt mean that the humanity is vacant! I'm not really sure whether this is appropriate to post ona few levels but I do think when the opportunity to try and clarify things to worried people, like yerself Scrufil (and I'm not attemption to change your mind on anything, just presenting additional angles) that it is the thing to do and for a broader people than just the individual. I will though say no more on the difficult subject at hand here, but using PMs is grand by me.
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"We're in this for months and years" - Prof Sam McConkey on Newstalk this morning.
The headline - "Top doctor warns Dublin could stay at Level 3 for 'months and years' over R number" - is slightly misleading as he doesn't explicitly say that; in fact, he says that "to be stabilised [...] at Level 3 for a long time like 6 months or a year or more is not a solution to this"
But he doesn't really give any real way out of it. That would have obvious impacts on lots of stuff, of which the LoI is a relative minor one, but it would most definitely be hugely impacted. It'd be impractical, even.
Its indicative of the 'panic button' mode growing but not helpful to sound like a situation is being over played - people and public just switch off and they are the key to the solution. Media have a responsibility to not sensationalise!
McConkey always strikes me as a guy who is loving his media exposure and his position as head prophet of doomOriginally Posted by pineapple stu
Sam Mcconkey said in March we could have 4 million infections and 120000 deaths, as a rule I don't argue with the opinions of experts but are we to take his obvious always worst case scenario opinion seriously??
In fairness, if we didn't lockdown, we could have had that.
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I think if people had continued to act as if we were still "living with covid" as the plan was intended, we'd never has seen a major rise in cases. There's two options now, people take the level 3 seriously, take some personal responsibility, limit interactions and the case numbers stabilise and reduce in the next three weeks, or we go to level 5 and everything shuts down again for 3 weeks. The danger is that either option becomes a repeating cycle until there's a widely used vaccine, herd immunity, a cure or the virus naturally weakens and hospitalisations are no longer common.
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As WAR said above, level 5 now allows for an exemption for elite sport to continue.
So we could possibly plan for a 36 game season next year, but you'll probably have the likes of Sligo and Waterford etc crying again that they can't afford to. Sligo is the funny one as they raised 80k and then spent it on Junior!
So if we're still without regular crowds in 2021, which seems likely, where does the LOI go?!
Honest question. What is the point of an LOI season without fans?
A year out of your career is a lot for a guy who is looking at a short cars at anyway.
Plus I'd rather watch my team on tv then not at all.
For most Liverpool and man u fans it doesn't make any difference once you add in the crowd noise for them.
I've just finished watching the Slovakia - Ireland game. The whole time all I could think about is how little interest I had in it. This was a massive game but it fel like a training game. Probably not helped by the lack of crowd noise in a stadium that bounced the echoes around quite well. I've found it difficult to focus on our games on tv, and the same for game sin other countries. Obviously the fact that we are doing so poorly has an impact on this.
I get that for the layers its a job,and losing a year of an otherwise short career is awful, but what really is the purpose of the LOI? It seems like the only reason we played this season out was to make sure the European teams were decided.
And someone got to win the league, also someone gets promoted, European places for next year.
I get where u are coming from but I'd rather watch rovers play on tv then not at all
Do they though? It comes back to the question, what is the point of football. Do we play it just to decide a winner, or is it meant as entertainment? If we're looking at another season of football without fans then we have to question the point. Realistically we won't be cancelling a season but theres logic there.
European teams, the title and promotion on merit for 1st Division teams. Legue prizemony isnt good but it is graded on league finish. UEFA require domestic leagues to be decided. I also would prefer to watch games, especially my team than nothing at all. There is some benefit to that in terms of mental health for what little or much that might differ for individuals. To respect the league in itself and not show contempt by not playing it is important!!
The money was raised to try and keep us up and it looks like it’s been successful. If we have no gate receipts next year we’ll have no squad of any note as we rely a lot on them. Can’t see us getting Europe. One half season of having no crowds and gate receipts is somewhat bearable but I’m not really sure how the likes of us with no Europe or large investor are supposed to get a squad together for next season when we have no idea what crowds we will be able to have to base our budgets off.
An extended period with no gate receipts should see nearly every club in the league reduced to fully amateur status and still facing financial ruin. Good thing the FAI have been squirrelling money away for a rainy day.
But isn't that what Gino is doing by calling it the Dying with Dignity bill? It's other people putting labels on it.
You can put whatever label you want on it, certain people will always insist you're out to murder your granny.
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None. There is no point in football without it. Either allow us to pack stadiums as normal or cancel the league for a year.
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