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    Please move this conversation back to C19, or to another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
    It's not 13 games. It's 18. Restart or not it's 18 games. A big gap in the middle makes **** all difference because it's the same for everyone. It's fair to count the first 5 games now get on with it.

    Can't do 3 rounds because teams cant/won't extend contracts which would be needed to do that.
    In fairness ... is it the same though???
    Obviously the amount of games to be played will be the same, but there is a lot more to it than that. 6 teams are back training. The other teams aren't back training cause I can only assume they can't afford to. Also there are foreign players that will need to self isolate for 2 weeks (we have 5 first team foreigners). There is a real possibility that we could re-start having no training and with half a team Vs a full squad who has been training for 8 weeks. How is that the same for everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redobit View Post
    In fairness ... is it the same though???
    Obviously the amount of games to be played will be the same, but there is a lot more to it than that. 6 teams are back training. The other teams aren't back training cause I can only assume they can't afford to. Also there are foreign players that will need to self isolate for 2 weeks (we have 5 first team foreigners). There is a real possibility that we could re-start having no training and with half a team Vs a full squad who has been training for 8 weeks. How is that the same for everybody.
    You could make the exact same argument re being back training for every season. The likes of Rovers and Dundalk were back training in December this year when other teams were late January.
    Its by choice, that's how its the same. Every team can be back training now, there's no rules stopping them that's how it's the same, if other clubs choose to hand others an advantage that's their choice.

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    Cork back training according to the mirror.

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    Thanks D24. Those two articles back up exactly what I was saying.
    We have no money to pay players so we'cant go back training, or bring players back into the county.
    5 of our first team players need to go into two week quarantine.
    People can say its the same for all clubs, well its not.
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    It is the same in that Sligo weren't forced to sign players from abroad they chose to and they're choosing not to return to training for financial reasons.
    Having money has its benefits in football, that is nothing new, these "issues" are just new ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by redobit View Post
    Thanks D24. Those two articles back up exactly what I was saying.
    We have no money to pay players so we'cant go back training, or bring players back into the county.
    5 of our first team players need to go into two week quarantine.
    People can say its the same for all clubs, well its not.
    Harps have 6 players come in from abroad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
    It is the same in that Sligo weren't forced to sign players from abroad they chose to and they're choosing not to return to training for financial reasons.
    Having money has its benefits in football, that is nothing new, these "issues" are just new ones
    Issues of sporting integrity only seem to matter to people when it suits them. We can't have a shortened league because that'd be a ridiculous way to declare a champion, but a team whose playing staff are decimated by quarantine during a pandemic is just tough ****. This is not an injury crisis. It is not normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John83 View Post
    Issues of sporting integrity only seem to matter to people when it suits them. We can't have a shortened league because that'd be a ridiculous way to declare a champion, but a team whose playing staff are decimated by quarantine during a pandemic is just tough ****. This is not an injury crisis. It is not normal.
    I think you'll find I'm actually of the opinion that an 18 game season is completely fine because any longer and you're asking clubs to extend contracts which would be unfair on them.
    Unless of course crowds are allowed back soon in which case the season should be as long as possible to allow for as accurate a set of results as possible

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    Sligo are absolutely shítting a brick and I would be too if I was playing Darragh Noone every week. They're a very poor side this year and they could easily go down, it's not hard to see why they're so against relegation.

    Waterford are in absolute dissaray, their manager has walked, several players that were in on loan are leaving and their contracted players are disillusioned with the club after how they were treated.

    Waterford will campaign for no relegation along with Sligo so that they can cut costs and play their under-19s until the end of the season without any ramifications. No way should that be allowed. There has to be promotion and relegation.

    It's good to see some First Division and Premier Division teams returning to training this week, one way to help clubs out that are forced to isolate their players due to them being overseas is to organise testing for non-nationals. I'm sure that would be a realistic request. We have 2-3 players from outside ourselves but that won't be used an excuse for not having promotion/relegation.
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    Dan McDonnell saying on Twitter that clubs have been told that any Premier Division club that refuses to return will be relegated. Some tough decisions to be made now for those not keen to return.
    Upwards to the vanguard where the pressure is too high.

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    About time too. Every club in every league had been negatively impacted by C19 to various different degrees but a handful in the LOI think they are uniquely affected.

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    Understand that clubs in LOI Premier Division will be told that they face relegation if they decide against returning to play this year - that's a change in tone from previous discussions. Should be an interesting 24 hours or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longfordian View Post
    Dan McDonnell saying on Twitter that clubs have been told that any Premier Division club that refuses to return will be relegated. Some tough decisions to be made now for those not keen to return.
    I wonder does that imply that they are dispensing with the no relegation / promotion idea for teams continuing with the league restart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longfordian View Post
    Dan McDonnell saying on Twitter that clubs have been told that any Premier Division club that refuses to return will be relegated. Some tough decisions to be made now for those not keen to return.
    Sligo chairman replied on twitter saying "I must clean my ears" so Dan could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dundalkfc10 View Post
    Sligo chairman replied on twitter saying "I must clean my ears" so Dan could be wrong.
    In fairness Dan is saying they will be told, not they have been told, even the cleanest ears in the world can't help you hear something that hasn't been said to you yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
    In fairness Dan is saying they will be told, not they have been told, even the cleanest ears in the world can't help you hear something that hasn't been said to you yet
    that sligo chairman is uttering some sarcasm humour I think!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olander View Post
    Sligo are absolutely shítting a brick and I would be too if I was playing Darragh Noone every week. They're a very poor side this year and they could easily go down, it's not hard to see why they're so against relegation.

    Waterford are in absolute dissaray, their manager has walked, several players that were in on loan are leaving and their contracted players are disillusioned with the club after how they were treated.

    Waterford will campaign for no relegation along with Sligo so that they can cut costs and play their under-19s until the end of the season without any ramifications. No way should that be allowed. There has to be promotion and relegation.

    It's good to see some First Division and Premier Division teams returning to training this week, one way to help clubs out that are forced to isolate their players due to them being overseas is to organise testing for non-nationals. I'm sure that would be a realistic request. We have 2-3 players from outside ourselves but that won't be used an excuse for not having promotion/relegation.
    Brilliant posting Olander! With your line of thinking you should replace Niall Quinn and his comrades! totally agree with you what you are saying.
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    In my own opinion, I welcome it as a positive that the FAI are prepared to make some hard nosed decisions when it comes to the LOI. We have endured decades of nudge nudge wink wink, brown envelope, shyster politics ( in keeping with general Irish society?) when decisions have been made. Caulfield make some decent points in a recent article when he said its time to leave the amateur nature of football in this country behind, and embrace a clear sighted, professional, vibrant league for the future. What this looks like I can't say, but it would seem inevitable to my ageing eyes that an All Ireland League would be the best way to achieve that.

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