I thought it was that fella Cameron who was with them at the start of this seasonOriginally Posted by pete
It is, he's still here, and he's ****e! Scored something like 35 goals for Gretna last season, but by the look of him couldn't kick snow off a rope. Just goes to show the gulf in standards between us and the Scottish Third. I only hope that our new/would-be investors are aware of this.
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Did Limerick submit incorrect financial documentation to fraudulently gain an operating license?Yes, of course, Limerick are the model example of how to manage a football club, aren't they?
Limerick almost went out of football less than 2 years ago. Limerick, like Rovers, initially failed to get a club licence when the licensing scheme was introduced. Limerick were homeless for ages. They began last season, with only half a squad of registered players. None of which was down to bad management, of course!! So, Limerick are a club ideally placed to advise the FAI about what they should do with Rovers, aren't they?
Of all the other clubs in the NL, Limerick and their fans should at least have some understanding of the problems that Rovers have had to put up with for so long.
No they didn't.
If this was Switzerland, Italy or any other nation with a National Association with half a clue Rovers would have been immediately booted out of the league and closed down - full stop.
Just thank your lucky stars you have the FAI in "charge" of things.
Just a sham(rock) of a club trading on nothing but a name and past glories, with nothing to offer anyone in the modern era.
Kom Igen, FCK...
Yes, and if it was any other nation with a National association with half a clue, they would have acted on the tip-off given to them by Rovers fans that the accounts were falsified. The FAI have a massive amount of responsibility in this too
Getting worried? Our debt is about to be cleared (legally BTW, it's called examinership) and a huge cash injection is on its way meanwhile Bohs chase a dream for a couple of years and end up in debt to the tune of nearly €2 million. I'd get the For Sale signs up on ****er Dignams field if I were you lot.
BTW See Eanná's post for the reasson why the FAI havn't a leg to stand on. It's wishful thinking to bleat about Switzerland or Italy - this is Ireland in case you'd forgotten.
KOH
No One Likes Us, We Don't Care
Not really - Rovers will get their just desserts in time.
Getting worried?
I'd rather be in debt than gain documentation fraudulently - it's called having some principles and playing to the rules - something that Rovers don't seem to have grasped.meanwhile Bohs chase a dream for a couple of years and end up in debt to the tune of nearly €2 million. I'd get the For Sale signs up on ****er Dignams field if I were you lot.
I've had 25 years experience of the incompetence of the English FA - I've got used to it.BTW See Eanná's post for the reason why the FAI havn't a leg to stand on. It's wishful thinking to bleat about Switzerland or Italy - this is Ireland in case you'd forgotten.
KOH
Plus the beer is cheaper in Switzerland and Italy
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Kom Igen, FCK...
Eh, we (400 Club) were the ones who pointed the problem out to the FAI - the old regime have gone and we were the ones that wanted shot of them. Having principles and playing by the rules are what we're about. Shame about the FAI.
KOH
No One Likes Us, We Don't Care
Another wee side note on Gretna's season: in their 36 games they conceded 29 and scored 130. +101 Goal Difference
To be fair conceeding 29 goals in 36 games isn't tremendous defensive form and suggests very few clean sheets.Another wee side note on Gretna's season: in their 36 games they conceded 29 and scored 130
But then if you're banging in 130, you can afford such defensive luxuries...!
I never said it was tremendous, but there's nothing wrong with conceding less than a goal per game on average!!!. Just seen their last 10 results - 7 of them were cleans sheets. Steve look at Derrys defensive record at the mo - conceded 6 goals in 10 games yet they've kept 7 clean sheets. Basically ye can't base clean sheets on the goal against column.
Another side note: five of their players bagged 93 league goal between them!!!!
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Throwing money at a problem doesn't necessarily mean you'll fix it.
Getting worried? Our debt is about to be cleared (legally BTW, it's called examinership) and a huge cash injection is on its way KOH
Here WAR, just to remind you - RODDY COLLINS is yer manager, so don't get carried away. If theres one manager in this league who can whittle away a "cash injection" buying pure poo, its the Rod Man...
SteveDCFC: good post and you definitely have a point. If we were going to own Tallaght then I would be very suspicious about any potential investor. However, the stadium will be owned by the council and so there is no question of an investor using us as a way to get his hands on prime land.
From a Rovers point of view, our biggest worry is that the new guy will be another Alan McGrath. When McGrath came in in '96 we were told that money was no object and that we'd be in Tallaght within a year. Then, six months down the road, McGrath started wondering why running the club was costing him so much. He basically had no idea about the costs of running a club and we are still suffering from his tenure.
However, this Quigley guy is a frontman for Mileson, who understands that clubs do cost money to run. I think he'll be entering this with his eyes wide open. I'm still sceptical to a certain degree, but it does sound promising.
By the way, it's not a 100% done deal yet. My understanding is that it could still fall through but that talks are going very, very well.
I'm well aware of that, it's just when I smell even a hint of panic from the gypos I feel duty bound to jump in and crank it up.Throwing money at a problem doesn't necessarily mean you'll fix it.
Here WAR, just to remind you - RODDY COLLINS is yer manager, so don't get carried away. If theres one manager in this league who can whittle away a "cash injection" buying pure poo, its the Rod Man...
KOH
No One Likes Us, We Don't Care
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Todays paper....
Good to see Roddy as modest as ever : "They're doing this just for me. I got them to spend the money".
And then the expected talk of shipping in big-money players from England. Oh dear....
I think Roddy is completely the wrong person to manage an Irish club with money, as his management style seems to consist purely of attempting to buy success.
If Roddy gets the cash, brings in some big English names (now where have I heard him doing that before....?) and there's no silverware or European results in the next couple of seasons, does anyone honestly believe these fellas will continue to pour money down a hole on big-money English players ?
deal isnt even done and the bitterness has begun
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It's called a dose of reality, RTID - nothing to do with bitterness. I've posed a sensible question, of the type of scenario that arises time and again in football. Why pretend it could never happen, and instead question the motives of the person who raises it ?
And anyway, why would I be bitter ? I think anyone looking to buy into ANY football club in these islands with the aim of making money (bar a tiny handful like Man U & Celtic) is going to get their fingers burnt. Much bigger businessmen have got their fingers burnt with much bigger teams in England. To make money on Irish football would essentially involve gambling on European success, to secure enough new fans to make it financially worthwhile. I therefore DO NOT want anyone to try to buy Derry City with a view to making money on it. Repeat - I personally WOULD NOT want the same guy to buy into my club, as I would be genuinely concerned about the consequences. So therefore how can I be bitter about it ?
If he does buy Rovers, did I'd genuiinely wish him good luck in making it all work. But having an investment in Gretna as your main credentials for being able to back football teams with potential is hardly a solid endorsement !
Last edited by dcfcsteve; 26/05/2005 at 10:00 AM.
On your first point, yes I do believe that Limerick are now a model on how a football club should be run. The attendances are up 1000% (yes 1000) on last season through clever use of marketing, pr and hard graft by the new owners, the club is completely debt free, has a local manager who has no delusions of grandeur, and while there could have been a lot of money at his disposal, the club shopped local, have kept wages largely performance related, and are getting better both on and off the field on a weekly basis.Plans such as ground development and stabilisation are far more important to us short term than success on the field, and maybe a season or two in the first division might teach ye a few values...things that are sadly lacking in Shamrock Rovers.Yes, of course, Limerick are the model example of how to manage a football club, aren't they?
Limerick almost went out of football less than 2 years ago. Limerick, like Rovers, initially failed to get a club licence when the licensing scheme was introduced. Limerick were homeless for ages. They began last season, with only half a squad of registered players. None of which was down to bad management, of course!! So, Limerick are a club ideally placed to advise the FAI about what they should do with Rovers, aren't they?
Of all the other clubs in the NL, Limerick and their fans should at least have some understanding of the problems that Rovers have had to put up with for so long.
By and large, Limerick fans do have a lot of sympathy for Rovers plight. They are the most synonymous name is League of Ireland history, and they should always have a place in it.So too do our new owners, who financially bailed ye out on one occassion last season if my memory serves me correctly. What is particularly galling is the fact that lessons probably won't be learned, and the minute that idiot gets his hands on a few quid, he'll probably offer Denis Wise a contract worth €4k a week. He's bad for your club, and football in general.
Time for Rovers to rationalise everything...admit rock bottom and then theres only one way ye can go. We know this, we've been there and are still a long way off where we want to get to , both on and off the pitch. It can be done, but only with the right people, people that love the club, not those happy to accept €1600 a week in wages while the club is in examinership, and even worse, be proud enough to accept handouts from loyal devout fans who should never have been put in the position in the first place.
A few excellent points there. I, for one, am reserving judgement until I find out a whole lot more. Hopefully once at sit-down with the 400 Club trustees takes place alot of very important issues will be clarified. Limerick are an excellent example of how circumstances can be dramatically turned around for the better thanks to having the right people with the right ideas in place, not simply introducing a suger-daddy who will simply throw money at the club and then sit back and wait for the trophies to stack up. we've had enough people like that at Rovers in recent years, and all have failed miserably. Please don't think that any of us Hoops are not keeping a very steady and sceptical, eye on proceedings. Afterall, it was us, the fans, that called time on the madness that was going on prior to examinership. If similar people to those that were there before come in now, all the good work of the 400 Club will have benn for nothing.
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Its alright lads stop worrying, Rod says hes going to bring the Eircom League into a new dimension so were all sorted
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