Three young Girls from same family in UK with babies

**Jim Smith** · 24/05/2005, 3:54 PM

Originally Posted by pete

However you have a responsibility not to bring children into the world if cannot afford to raise them.

While I know what you are driving at in the case of these three children but that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Its also similar to the justification that used to be wheeled out for some of the anti-Irish stereotypes in days not so long gone by.

Many pregnancies are not planned so what do you do in these cases?
What if someone loses their job through no fault of their own?
You could widen the argument out to Third World Aid programmes.

Do you also have a responsibility not to bring children into the world if you cannot guarantee that you will be able to ensure through your parenting skills that they will be upstanding members of the community or wind-up unemployed and a drain on society?

Are only the wealthy allowed to have children?

Take a look at this from the cso:
latest CSO figures

550 births to unmarried teenagers in quarter 3 (down by 100 on the previous year). We are being overrun by them I tell you...

Sorry for the rant but I grew up in Thatcher's Britain and that's why I have such an adverse reaction to the PDs and their policys...

**Gerrit** · 24/05/2005, 11:02 PM

Just out of curiosity: will they all keep their kids ? Or did the paper not report on this ?

In my school career there was one girl indeed that got pregnant at 15 or 16. She had an abortion however.

But are the parents to blame ? Yes, probably. However, are we sure here the babies weren't conceived within a very short time ? I mean, unhappy coincidences exist, and it's usually those unbelievable things that reach the paper. It could be they didn't even know their sisters got pregnant as well...
I know, very very slight possibility but still.

I was never told a 12 year old girl could get pregnant even... Sex education in the old days was not what it should be, appartently today not too much has changed in some environments

**dancinpants** · 25/05/2005, 3:33 AM

Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

The 12 year old could be a grandma at 24 if family history repeats itself... most 24 year olds I know havent even thought about kids, let alone grandchildren.

Thats actually happened, I remember seein' it on TV a few years back.

**patsh** · 25/05/2005, 7:01 AM

Originally Posted by pete

However you have a responsibility not to bring children into the world if cannot afford to raise them.

So no babies should be born to the majority of women in Bangladesh, most parts of India, Pakistan, nearly all countries in Africa, large tracts of all South American countries etc. etc........

**pete** · 25/05/2005, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by patsh

So no babies should be born to the majority of women in Bangladesh, most parts of India, Pakistan, nearly all countries in Africa, large tracts of all South American countries etc. etc........

Well they shouldn't be having large families anyway.

**SaucyJack** · 25/05/2005, 7:19 PM

some advice

**Green Tribe** · 25/05/2005, 8:35 PM

Originally Posted by SaucyJack

some advice

That's terrible!

**Pauro 76** · 26/05/2005, 4:27 PM

seenthereport recently, shocking! the kid's kid names struck me though, what sort of name is T-Jay to give to a kid, and Amani!!!! cant they spell Armani or something?

**anto1208** · 26/05/2005, 4:47 PM

i thought surely it cant be all the mothers fault but then i found out that here 12 year old daughter was alloud to have her 15 year old boyfriend stay over in the same room in the same bed , and the mother thought it was upto the tony blair to educate her kids about condoms etc ....

its like the mother that gave her kids 26 cheese burger a day from mcdolands then tried to sue mcd's coz her kids got fat

**Closed Account 2** · 26/05/2005, 7:09 PM

Originally Posted by PAURO 7

seenthereport recently, shocking! the kid's kid names struck me though, what sort of name is T-Jay to give to a kid, and Amani!!!! cant they spell Armani or something?

Thats another side affect for the poor kid (the one just born) having to put up with being called "Armani" (I�m assuming the 12 year old made a spelling mistake). Wonder what other classic names she'll come up with if she has more kids, "Burberry" has to be in the reckoning or perhaps she'll go for a sophisticated name like "Lambrini" ?

**Green Tribe** · 26/05/2005, 7:41 PM

Originally Posted by anto1208

then i found out that here 12 year old daughter was alloud to have her 15 year old boyfriend stay over in the same room in the same bed ,

I hope to God that is not true, I find it hard to believe that any parent would allow that. What's a 12 year old girl doing with a boyfriend anyway

( well, seems we found out

) she's too bloody young, don't these children want to live a little, enjoy their friends etc, there's plenty of time to put up with the hassle of men when she's much older, the wee brat

**Poor Student** · 26/05/2005, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

I hope to God that is not true, I find it hard to believe that any parent would allow that.

Surely it's illegal for a parent to allow that to happen in their knowledge?

**Green Tribe** · 26/05/2005, 8:49 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

Surely it's illegal for a parent to allow that to happen in their knowledge?

you'd think so, wouldn't you, Poor Student, but it never seems to be highlighted....strange

**Poor Student** · 26/05/2005, 8:59 PM

Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

you'd think so, wouldn't you, Poor Student, but it never seems to be highlighted....strange

Although I do believe the obligation is on a parent to press for statutory rape. I don't think it can be publicly prosecuted without instigation from the family. And if you see nothing wrong with it then I guess nothing happens.

**Green Tribe** · 26/05/2005, 9:05 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

Although I do believe the obligation is on a parent to press for statutory rape. I don't think it can be publicly prosecuted without instigation from the family. And if you see nothing wrong with it then I guess nothing happens.

True, the mother seems content at being a granny. I heard that 2 of the girls are no longer in contact with the fathers of their children....

**Gerrit** · 26/05/2005, 9:23 PM

That "take it up the..." commerce is brilliant

Yet they steal my idea... I have been telling to all my friends for years that the best method of anticonception is not condom or pill, but... well, you know

I say it half joking of course as I will not tell them what to do or not to do in their lovelife, but the scary part is that it is very true. No condom or pill is 100% safe, while the backdoor holds several health risks (HIV etc) but has 0% risk for pregancy.

so ladies, forgive us if we ever ask, it's just to forecome pregnancy

**Green Tribe** · 26/05/2005, 9:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gerrit

That "take it up the..." commerce is brilliant

Yet they steal my idea... I have been telling to all my friends for years that the best method of anticonception is not condom or pill, but... well, you know

I say it half joking of course as I will not tell them what to do or not to do in their lovelife, but the scary part is that it is very true. No condom or pill is 100% safe, while the backdoor holds several health risks (HIV etc) but has 0% risk for pregancy.

so ladies, forgive us if we ever ask, it's just to forecome pregnancy

Christ Gerrit, I can't help but think you are being serious!!!

**Closed Account 2** · 26/05/2005, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

True, the mother seems content at being a granny. I heard that 2 of the girls are no longer in contact with the fathers of their children....

Yeah, and I read the father that is in contact is 38!!!! As old as the grandma, can you believe that, someone 15-16 going with a 38 year old (same age as her mum) ?

**Gerrit** · 26/05/2005, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

Christ Gerrit, I can't help but think you are being serious!!!

well, I am actually. Anal sex may have certain risks for the health if not done properly (if prepared well it should be more or less fine I guess ??) but the risk of conception is 0.00 %
Slo when you are sure both you and your partner are free of illnesses (better have a test) anal sex is really seriously the best way to prevend pregnancy.

and I am also serious when I say that I have been telling this friends already for a long time. However, I tell it in a half joking way: it is really true what I am saying, but I am not by far advising them or encouraging them to try. It's their matter what they do or don't in their relationships. I say it more in a teasing way, but technically it is right that it is the safest way if we only look at avoiding pregnancy.

Don't see me as a promotor of backdoor usage please !

an be a good excuse to when you've reached a more experimental stage: "of course I'm no pervert, baby, and of course I would normally never propose, but I'm just concerned about your wish not to be a mum yet !"