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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post



    Just to give anecdotal evidence, a sibling of mine voted SF for the first time, and was immediately put off by both what you reference and the "Come Out Ye Black and Tans" stuff at another count, enough that they expressed concern about what they voted for. They wouldn't be a politico or a dyed-in-the-wool republican, voted for SF primarily because of their economic pledges, and couldn't care less about Irish unity. It's perfectly possible that such voters could get scared off if that section of Sinn Fein is a bit too, shall we say, rambunctious in a government.
    You'd hope that their vote would go to Labour, SocDem or PBP though, and not back to FF/FG

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    But confidence and supply hasn't been ruled out I see...

    Interesting that Labour have ruled themselves out of government, but presumably they'd vote the way of a SF government anyway. A new leader might change course as well (Kelly doesn't strike me as a man to be happy in opposition for example).

    Just to give anecdotal evidence, a sibling of mine voted SF for the first time, and was immediately put off by both what you reference and the "Come Out Ye Black and Tans" stuff at another count, enough that they expressed concern about what they voted for. They wouldn't be a politico or a dyed-in-the-wool republican, voted for SF primarily because of their economic pledges, and couldn't care less about Irish unity. It's perfectly possible that such voters could get scared off if that section of Sinn Fein is a bit too, shall we say, rambunctious in a government.
    On the subject of the Ra...

    I've always been of the opinion that the SF vote is a coalition of people voting for them in spite of the activities of the provos, and another group voting for them because of the activities of the provos.

    But is there an extent to which a big chunk of Irish society, are happy enough for it to exist as long as they can be put away when the neighbours come round?

    Belfast is a different place, but I've been in the company of the IRA before. I've never felt in any way threatened or in any danger from them. These days they are mainly boys in their 50s & 60s who take more interest in Scottish football than most people. They aren't typically keen on drugs but most see little harm in a bit of weed. They are different from the criminal gangs Love/Hate was based on.

    Whatever about the questions of whether they still have an army council or not, the same old lads are still drinking Guinness together in the same pubs together.

    With kids being chopped up and bits of them left in holdalls by the side of the road, do a lot of us see those old lads down the pub as a last line of defence who can do things the Gaurds or the PSNI can't?

    Does that explain why we didn't flinch as a country over the Paul Quinn thing?
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    I think we did flinch because the last poll had them at 25 and heading north, it was a momentum killer but nothing more.
    To the majority of people under 50 the troubles is like reading about the second world war or the Korean war, they just don;t care.
    With a second election Shin Fein will win more seats but at the expense of the loony left in PBP and also at the expense of Labour and Soc Dems plus independents.
    The vote left transfer left thing worked for the left...would FF FG have the nerve to ask their supporters to transfer to each other...if they did the seat bonus that this could bring would help them both.
    Could be a 3 way tie again but this time in the low to mid 40's if the transfer pact worked for the centre as well as it did for the left

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    Just to give anecdotal evidence, a sibling of mine voted SF for the first time, and was immediately put off by both what you reference and the "Come Out Ye Black and Tans" stuff at another count, enough that they expressed concern about what they voted for. They wouldn't be a politico or a dyed-in-the-wool republican, voted for SF primarily because of their economic pledges, and couldn't care less about Irish unity. It's perfectly possible that such voters could get scared off if that section of Sinn Fein is a bit too, shall we say, rambunctious in a government.
    I can relate to this. I didn't give SF any vote in the end, as I'm not mad about the candidate in my constituency, but I would've been tempted to throw something their way otherwise, having never done previously. Whatever about the fella shouting 'Up the Ra' in the pub, the tricolours and 'Come Out Ye Black & Tans' nonsense in the count centre was deflating to look at, so I'm glad I didn't.
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    The Shin Fein press officers will try but its too late to house train the likes of Dessie Ellis.
    Mary Lou should do a "democratic Left" on it (for those of you old enough to remember)
    She should leave Shin Fein with all the new young socialist types and from a new party without the old Nordie Ra sympathisers.
    If Eoin O Brin , Pearse Doherty etc did'nt have all the Republican BS hanging around them they would be better for it

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    Reading the comments from various party leaders today, getting a distinct sense of "No you do it" from everyone. Something will have to give at some point.

    I note that the Seanad electoral process is currently beginning, to be done in late March. They can't call another election until that's done, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    Reading the comments from various party leaders today, getting a distinct sense of "No you do it" from everyone. Something will have to give at some point.

    I note that the Seanad electoral process is currently beginning, to be done in late March. They can't call another election until that's done, right?
    Had a quick glance at the constitution and it mentions dissolution of the Dail stating it has no set minimum duration, the part I read makes no mention of the oireachtas in general. It’s dissolution requires the Presidents consent of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    I think we did flinch because the last poll had them at 25 and heading north, it was a momentum killer but nothing more.
    To the majority of people under 50 the troubles is like reading about the second world war or the Korean war, they just don;t care.
    With a second election Shin Fein will win more seats but at the expense of the loony left in PBP and also at the expense of Labour and Soc Dems plus independents.
    The vote left transfer left thing worked for the left...would FF FG have the nerve to ask their supporters to transfer to each other...if they did the seat bonus that this could bring would help them both.
    Could be a 3 way tie again but this time in the low to mid 40's if the transfer pact worked for the centre as well as it did for the left
    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    The Shin Fein press officers will try but its too late to house train the likes of Dessie Ellis.
    Mary Lou should do a "democratic Left" on it (for those of you old enough to remember)
    She should leave Shin Fein with all the new young socialist types and from a new party without the old Nordie Ra sympathisers.
    If Eoin O Brin , Pearse Doherty etc did'nt have all the Republican BS hanging around them they would be better for it

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