Irish UEFA Coefficient Points

[higgins]

Just thought Id post this here so as people who are making silly comments about bohs doing all the donkey work can see exactly how our coefficient is made up....

The coefficient is made up from the past 5 seasons points

Season..Points
00/01 - 5 (Bohs 3.0 / Shels 2.0 / Cork 0.0)
01/02 - 2 (Bohs 1.5 / Longford 0.5 / Shels 0.0)
02/03 - 0.5 (Shels 0.5 / Shamrock Rovers 0.0 / Dundalk 0.0)
03/04 - 1 (Bohs 1.0 / Derry 0.0 / Shels 0.0)
04/05 - 4 (Shels 3.5 / Bohs 0.5 / Longford 0.0)

Total - 12.5

The breakdown of the points over the seasons is as follows,

Bohs 6
Shels 6
Longford 0.5
Cork 0
Derry 0
Dundalk 0
Shamrock rovers 0


Bohs and Shels have added 6 each to the total but as you can see the 3 pts bohs got in 2000 will no longer count from next season.

[dancinpants]

Bohs and Shels have added 6 each to the total but as you can see the 3 pts bohs got in 2000 will no longer count from next season.

Neither will 2 of Shels' points. But I bet ye next year, yer looking forward to claiming Shels done all the "donkey work" with 4 points to Bohs 3....

PS...Bohs led the way 3 out of those five years.

[higgins]

Dancinpants if you have seen any of my posts on the coefficient issue over the years you will see that i have always gave bohs credit for what they have done for the Irish Coefficient..

I just had a problem with the whole Bohs did all the donkey work and we finished it off..

Shels and Bohs got 6 points each over the past 5 seasons.. The sad fact is the 12.5 in total is just about good enough to get us seeded. Bohs and Shels have had a big part in this.

The comment in the other thread started because someone made the comment that why should they shout for shels in Europe as it has done nothing for cork.

As bohs are only in the Intertoto then from next season Shels will have the highest points total (baring a massive Uefa Cup run for Longford or Cork and Bohs winning the Intertoto). Thats a FACT and its also very important that we get over the outgoing 1.666 (ie 5pts divided by 3 teams) so we have a decent chance of all being seeds next season.

[Schumi]

The biggest problem is that more than 50% of our coefficient points have come from 2 runs. Only once have two teams got more than 0.5 points in the same year. We need Cork and Longford to to chip in as well as Shels next year.

[higgins]

Well thanks to the teams who got the hard earned points as UNSEEDED teams over the past 5 seasons we are all (fingers crossed) SEEDED this season so it should be easy to get a few wins in the first round.

Im not saying this as a shels fane but being SEEDED in the UEFA Cup gives you a great chance of winning a round and 2 games with it!

[Schumi]

Well thanks to the teams who got the hard earned points as UNSEEDED teams over the past 5 seasons we are all (fingers crossed) SEEDED this season so it should be easy to get a few wins in the first round.

Im not saying this as a shels fane but being SEEDED in the UEFA Cup gives you a great chance of winning a round and 2 games with it!

Bohs and Longford were seeded last year and it didn't do us much good though.

[Slash/ED]

I'd expect more from Cork this year than either Longford or Bohs last year though.

[pineapple stu]

True, though Longford seem almost worse than last year...

Still, if we can get the 1.666 this season, then we'll be well placed for a good jump in the next couple of seasons.

[Poor Student]

With all due respect to Longford I am quite worried about their European chances this year and their chances of adding to a co-efficient which desperately needs more points due to the Bohs special season being chopped off. We'll be looking to Shels big time this year to put some points on the board though they actually didn't win many games last year in Europe (only 1 maybe?) which is a real points scorer. Ideally would they not only progress in the 1st round qualifier but win both legs to really get us points. Cork are an unknown quality. They have had some good results and bad results this season but hopefully with the experience of last year they'll have the know how and confidence to progress at least one round.

[dcfcsteve]

I'm a huge believer in the switch to Summer football, but I think it has the potential to cause as much damage to our European progress as it does to improve it.

Teams change year-on-year - particularly in a league like the EL which is still relatively open/competitive. In our league, in particular, there's always one or more team a season that has a dramatic change in their form. Most leagues in Europe finish in May, and their teams start competing in Europe in July/August. Therefore - a team that was good in May will probably still be good/one of the best only a couple of months later as well.

Under Summer football, however, our league finishes in October. Our teams who qualify for Europe therefore have the best part of a year, and the start of a new season, until they appear in Europe. As a result - those teams can change a lot - in both actual and relative performance. Bohs are currently a very pale shadow of the team they were last year - yet they're one of the teams flying our flag in Europe. Had they been the same team now that they were last October, they'd doubtless do better in Europe than they will now. We had the same situation with Longford last year - by the time Europe came round, their performances had dipped from the previous season. Only Shels and Cork have been consistent in our league recently - but that's only 50% of our Euro reps.

There's no decent way of allocating Euro slots under Summer football without having such a large time-gap. But sadly the gap it creates has the potential to reduce the quality of our reps, and therefeore our performances.

[Peadar]

I think part of the problem is allowing the cup winners to enter the UEFA Cup.
Longford are clearly not strong enough for that competition.
This has been the case with so many Cup winners down the years.

I know it would devalue the cup as a competition, but I'm of the opinion that if the Cup winners don't finish in the top 3, they should enter the Intertoto Cup.

[Partizan]

I bet if it was C/\wk in that position you'd be screaming blue murder if the FAI was considering your proposal.!

Cup winners for UEFA Cup... end of fcuking story.

none of this top three nonsense.

[Peadar]

I bet if it was C/\wk in that position you'd be screaming blue murder

Not something you'll need to worry about because you'll never get near the cup or a top three finish.

[Macy]

The UEFA place for the cup winners is the old Cup Winner Cup European spot - a competition that took priority over the old UEFA Cup. Maybe teams who finish top 3 should take the cup seriously if they're that much bloody better.

Hopefully we'll do better this year, but it just happened that last year conicided with crap form, nothing to do with the actual make up of the team Steve - we finished with one more cup and just one place lower in the league.

Crap form can hit any team at any time. (Ignoring the fact that the team we lost to were full time with a playing budget bigger than anyone in this league).

[patsh]

Hopefully we'll do better this year, but it just happened that last year conicided with crap form, nothing to do with the actual make up of the team Steve - we finished with one more cup and just one place lower in the league.

Not having a go, but I hope your form starts to pick up quickly so, as you seem to be struggling a bit again this year. It all depends on the draw though, $hels got helpful (lucky ?) draws last year (cue howls from Higgins et al) and all 3 teams yet to have their fixtures decided may need a little luck in the first round draw.
Bohs have Gent, and this is already a tough fixture to get through.

[Macy]

Not having a go, but I hope your form starts to pick up quickly so, as you seem to be struggling a bit again this year. It all depends on the draw though, $hels got helpful (lucky ?) draws last year (cue howls from Higgins et al) and all 3 teams yet to have their fixtures decided may need a little luck in the first round draw.
Bohs have Gent, and this is already a tough fixture to get through.

No arguement from me in that, but it's just football that poor form can hit any team.

[Peadar]

Maybe teams who finish top 3 should take the cup seriously if they're that much bloody better.

Being a knockout competition, the cup isn't a good indicator of form or quality. You saw that yourself last year when you American team met Millwall in the FA Cup final.
A good team can have an off day and get knocked out of the cup by a weaker team who've motivated themselves for the "big" game.

Longford may as well have given up if they couldn't motivate themselves for the cup when they had nothing to play for in the league.

I'm far happier to support a team with consistent league form but a recent lack of success in the cup rather than support a team like yours with indifferent league form but perceived cup pedigree.

[higgins]

$hels got helpful (lucky ?) draws last year (cue howls from Higgins et al)

Why would i howl??

Shels did get very lucky .. We were on the verge of being seeded for a few years and it was always close but last season we got very lucky in that we drew the worst seeded team in QR1 and the 4th worst seed in QR2.. At the time we needed luck. No country will become seeded without a lucky draw at some stage.

This season Cork and Longford dont need luck in the draw. Have you seen the UNSEEDED teams they could face? It doesnt get easier in Europe. Shels will need the luck as there is still a couple of difficult trips in there for us but 75% sure we will get through.

On the other hand we drew a top SEED in QR3 in Deportivo and got a draw. Then we drew one of the best sides in Round 1 of the UEFA Cup in Lille but still managed to get another draw and 1 full coefficient point for ourselves..

I think for the progress of our league the Cup winner should get into the Intertoto but because its an FAI Cup I cant see it changing and im not sure how UEFA rule on this either? Ideal situation would be our top 3 league teams go into Europe.

[gspain]

Shels will most likely remain seeded if they qualify due to their club coefficient for the next 4 seasons. Most opponents will not have a club coefficient. This is normally enough for the 1st round of both competitions but not afterwards.

Agree re summer football resulting in "out of form" clubs in Europe however I think playing mid season rather than pre-season is a real advantage. On balance summer football is a plus here.

[Macy]

UEFA place for cup winners is the old Cup Winners Cup spot, so should remain imo.

I wouldn't swap the cup finals for finishing a couple of places up the league peader, but that's your own choice.

Incidentally, Boh who would've got the place if it was based on league are hardly doing fookin great themselves are they?