Impressed by Church of Ireland

[Shelsman]

Did anyone hear the interview ( on radio 1 5/7 Live ) with the head of the Church of Ireland called for changes in Society to suit better family life, particularly to get around the problem of parents leaving children in for long days while they have to commute to and from Dublin.
Anytime I've heard or spoken with representatives of the Church of Ireland I've always been impressed by them. IMO, They are far more in touch with reality than the Catholic Church ( which is hardly surprising if Catholic Priests can't have families etc ).

I don't want to kick off a religious row on foot.ie but was just wondering if anyone else had any similar thoughts?

[tiktok]

IMO, They are far more in touch with reality than the Catholic Church ( which is hardly surprising if Catholic Priests can't have families etc )

Bit of a generalisation, but probably true.

[paul_oshea]

do you think there may be a reason for this? I mean its a bit naive, but if they show themselves as being in touch with modern ireland, they could see it as a way of gaining more followers. just a suggestion.

[Macy]

Many of the protestant churches have elements that are a big improvement on the Catholic Church.

For example, the United Reform church you chose which minister you go to - they don't have a Parish as such, so no problems if there's a dick of priest.

Anglican Priests tend to be more in touch, because as you say they're truely part of the community. Married with kids, so mixing with the parish the whole time, not just preaching from a pulpit about things they can't understand and have never lived through themselves.

Interestingly, the vast majority of "good" priests I've met/had dealings with, have been late vocations. In England there is a trend towards widowers becoming priests - far more understanding than equivalent age priests that haven't lived before they joined the priesthood.

[dahamsta]

It's not like that paul_oshea, the Church of Ireland is just more liberal and easygoing in general. If your suggestion were the case, the Catholic church should be crawling over each other to be that way right now, since they've alienated most of their congregations by being the exact opposite.

(A family member is a non-practicing prod, so it comes up sometimes.)

adam

[fosterdollar]

Whatever about the other issues, the approach to the one described above is probably the same for both religions. I mean who TF thinks that leaving kids away from both parents for long periods of time while the parents crack up in the commuter system is a desireable situation?

[Macy]

Whatever about the other issues, the approach to the one described above is probably the same for both religions. I mean who TF thinks that leaving kids away from both parents for long periods of time while the parents crack up in the commuter system is a desireable situation?

When have the Catholic Church ever said anything about it though? They'd rather get their knickers in a twist about an agency providing pregnant women with information about the full range of options....

[paul_oshea]

about the full range of options....

...yes macy, but some of those options are extremely sensitive issues.

[fosterdollar]

When have the Catholic Church ever said anything about it though? They'd rather get their knickers in a twist about an agency providing pregnant women with information about the full range of options....

No public statements on social strategy, if you like, from the CC come to mind. By the same token, that post up there is the first such statement i've ever noticed from the COI. Still, that is likely to be due to the fact that statements from either crew don't tend to grab my attention easily. I do have a feeling that the CC would have made similar statements in public before though. Okay, i'm not basing this on anything i know for fact, but it's a fair assumption, no?

BTW didn't some figure of authority (from the CC) push for involvement in FF's strategy/program forming get together thing in Cork last time round and social policy was his key input...

FF to Macy - red rag to bull. Here we go...

[Shelsman]

What is the CC stance on the pill? Is it only jonnies they are against? Does the COI let their ministers use them?

[liam88]

You all know where I stand so i'm not going to get into this one.......sensitive topics though; touch on people's beliefs and it's all going to go up...
Want to talk to me about abortion/marriage/the pill PM and i'm well up for a chat just not here-to much possibility of people getting offended (or banned!)

[Troy.McClure]

What is the CC stance on the pill? Is it only jonnies they are against?

No its artificial contracception in general.

[paul_oshea]

Is it only jonnies they are against?

ya, i can see it now, my local priest, "tis alright now if ye use jonnies good ladín".

No its artificial contracception in general.

huh? what other sort of contraception is there? the "pull it out when in doubt" contraception?

[dahamsta]

I'm pretty sure that the withdrawal method (aka coitus interruptus) is the only form of contraception endorsed by the catholic church.

adam

[paul_oshea]

ok i was only messin, but is that the truth? i.e. what i said above as i have never heard that expression before.

i actually thought that they didnt allow it unless you were trying to conceive a child

[liam88]

I'm pretty sure that the withdrawal method (aka coitus interruptus) is the only form of contraception endorsed by the catholic church.

adam

Aye the good old pull out and prey! Like the article says it only has a failure of 4% if used properly.....the pill has a failure of 5%.
The rhythem method is another good one-put on sopme Drum and Base music by your bed and your away

[Gerrit]

I'm pretty sure that the withdrawal method (aka coitus interruptus) is the only form of contraception endorsed by the catholic church.

adam

Research showed us that many people following a religion in which sex before marriage is forbidden or anticonception is forbidden, have 5 times more anal intercourse than others. Given the health risks of this form of sex, I doubt that the religions forbidding condom or pill have fully researched the topic.

Though we're on dangerous territory discussing this at a football forum.
Religion is a very personal thing and (unless we actually see the apocalypse and judgement day ) there is no such thing IMO as the "better or worse religion". As long as respect towards every belief is there, I think we should not start comparing religions in a matter of "which one is better ?"

[Gerrit]

I once read a religious magazine that compared religion as being the opposite of composing a sandwich "In a sandwich you chose the ingredients you like and leave out the ones you don't like. In religion you have to chose for it entirely and not leave out Bible passages that you like less." Nice one, really well written I'd say

[liam88]

I once read a religious magazine that compared religion as being the opposite of composing a sandwich "In a sandwich you chose the ingredients you like and leave out the ones you don't like. In religion you have to chose for it entirely and not leave out Bible passages that you like less." Nice one, really well written I'd say

I like that-I'll follow whatever my Pope and my church says because I believe it is the word of God.
I think it is great that this has reached 20 posts without becomming an argument....mabye quit while we're ahead? take it a little at a time like?
I believe in what John Paul the Great said-the division of the Christian church is a sin and every effort should be made to unite it (not exact wording). Hopefully this will be a reailty in our lifetime

[Gerrit]

With the smiley in your post it's difficult to see if this war irony or not...

But in fact it doesn't matter. I as a non-religious belief that respect towards everyone's believes or non-believes is the key to the end of interreligious problems. So no matter if it was serious or not, I respect your opinion. I have friends of all sorts of religions, makes no difference for me as long as both sides have respect.