Quote"Convict Chairman/CEO/Secretary/Publican/Disco King" doesn't have the same ring to it does it?Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Shelbourne
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Yeah it'll confuse the hell out of Finbar Flood, gaurenteed!
"Convict Chairman/CEO/Secretary/Publican/Disco King" doesn't have the same ring to it does it?
Oh they do exsist but they are the type who can't write proper ulsterAh come on now you are takin the p!ss
I haven't seen any Linfield fans coming on here with sectarian comments. Only people with those comments have been people trying to show how bigoted Linfield fans are supposed to be.let alone use Computer.
Sorry to say i'll be suprised if I dont here a few party songs on Saturday, fuelled by an all day drinking session. I for one will be down hoping we aren't humilated on and off the pitch. Have to say though i'm a lot more confident after our perfromance against the Glens, but I have a feeling we will see a Shels victory.
Last edited by Fortuna1886; 18/05/2005 at 9:34 PM.
Hatchets and Hammers
Ok, sorry, "hate" was the wrong word to use.I hate Linfield but that's a pretty sweeping statement by anyone's standards!!I would have thought the majority would be anti-Irish though. I don't mean they wouldn't talk to an Irishman. I'm anti-Rangers but I could still have a good night out with a Rangers fan. I keep my eye out on FollowFollow (a Rangers forum with over 10,000 members) and most of them can't figure out whether they want Celtic or Ireland to win on the 29th.
Who was it that hoped it'd be a 0-0 draw and Setanta kept the money?
Whoever it was, I agree. Can't stand either $hel£ or Linfield!
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Oh, can someone add in a "neither" option on that poll for those of us who will be neutrals
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Exactly what i was saying, that football clubs represent the fans that follow them and that obviously the fans political opinions are represented through the medium of there club. Linfield are not the cause of the problems up there by any stretch of the imagination but just a by product of the feelings up there.
I did not mean to single out Linfield as not a normal club, its just in my mind a normal club does not have any significant political leaning and by that reckoning alot of the teams on the continent are not 'normal'. This was probably the wrong word to use, unconventional would probably have been better.
The reason why alot of southern fans still hold resentment towards Linfield is cause of the reputation it has built over the years and i know attempts have been made to eradicate the bigoted element but it will take a some time for southen fans to fully respect Linfield fans, just as it took a long time for that reputation to be built up over the years.
Looking forward to meeting up with Tony Gorman again.....
I'm sure Anthony will be delighted to see yourself at some stage too!
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Fortuna - why do Loyalists insist on using the phrase 'party songs' to sanitise what are essentially sectarian songs with either anti-catholic lyrics and/or that are sung with an anti-Catholic context/intent? They're bigoted songs - not something you'd hear at a McDonalds kid's birthday bash !
I can never get my head around this. The phrase 'party songs' attempts to portray them as something completely harmless, which they're not...
Aye, its definitely a bit of spin right up their with good ole Tone's best efforts, it's not just a turn of phrase or anything.I think Fortuna 1886 should be more insulted at your assumption that he is a loyalist.
DCFC Steve, I have long been of the opinion that you find the most politically minded people in all of Ireland hailing from Derry/Londonderry (not everyone from the Maiden City, but a few), some of whom who are complete and utter gurning pedants.
Perhaps this is fuelled somewhat by a w*nker from Derry in the Ulster Scots Agency phoning up my work and lambasting me for sending a publication he requested to his home address adressed to 'Derry'. This sort of politically fuelled point scoring pedantry infuriates me no end, especially when the name is now interchangable since the Maiden City's Council became 'Derry City Council'.
Well Im sorry DCFC Steve but your little rant was up there with the 'best'/worst pedantry.
I read the thread about the Longford Linfield match with interest, and what I took from it was the Longford lads were not politically minded and played down a few of the Linfield support making bigoted arses out of themselves - It took your good self DCFC to try and exploit the minor incidents and take the subject of the thread away from football and into Northern Ireland politics - This annoyed me greatly at the time, but by the time I arrived the thread had been closed. In terms of biased, one sided views, yours should have won an award, claiming that all trouble, violence, sectarian song singing emenated from proddy clubs, with the one exception of this being Celtic. I wonder why you didn't post this view on ILF instead of Foot.ie, or indeed a lot of your opinions, because you know on ILF you wouldnt get away with them because there are too many fair minded individuals who also know more than most on here about football up North. You have a captive audience on here, and one which isnt going to be able to argue with alot of what you say, or to put it another way argue with how unbalanced your views and 'exampes' are.
Euphemisms are part of life - Im sure you could think of many more examples were 'nice sounding words' are used to describe pretty horrible acts.
Unless we agree to ban the terms 'rebel' and 'party' songs and use the phrase 'sectarian, hatred filled songs', I don't know what could be done, but then you didn't mention the 'rebel' songs, did you Steve!
Last edited by steveyg2004; 19/05/2005 at 8:56 AM.
For once, I have to agree with a glenman!
I first saw Limerick play in Sligo in 1975 and have been many times since. I've the utmost respect for the club and supproters. Would you then accept that Sligo Rovers FC reflects the bunch of teemagers in the Shed back in the late 80's that greeted Limerick's arrival onto the pitch with "Stab City W&*K W%^K" and some obscene gestures."
No I thought not. Nor are Sligo a Fianna Fail club because Ray McSharry used to go to games.
Linfield are not a sectarian anti Irish club because 50 of their fans sing sectarian songs. Linfield are a football club - They have as many political views as Sligo Rovers. Linfield Football Club this year wore black armbands and flew their flag at half mast as a mark of respect after the death of Pope John Paul II. They allowed a West Belfast GAA team to use their facilities.
50?
Linfield have actually officially stated (1996) that they were proud their Unionist background and ethos of their club. Don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong in stating this nor does that in itself make it Sectarian.
Bullsh*t. This is a ridiculous cave-man like pre-conceived notion that is based on hyperbole rather than fact. Nobody is arguing that Linfield don't attract a small hard-line following, but it really is a minority - NOT a majority.
What about all the Cork fans at the City-Ports game on Monday who shouted "Huns" the whole way through the match, or shouted "west-Brit" at Arkins? Or the Rovers fans who jeered Lee Feeney during their first game against Bohs? Or the fans at Republic of Ireland games who did the same to Rangers players?
Any Linfield fan I have ever met hasn't hated me because I'm Irish, simply because they are Irish too. I'm not denying their identity - they are also British and proud of it - but they are normally at pains to point out that Linfield is the most succeful club ever in Ireland!
And the half-wits who base their hostility to Linfield in the Setanta final because the prize money will go to the GB, or 'English' economy need their unreconstructed 'chuckie' views challenged. It doesn't make sense in a sporting (let alone political) sense. Linfield are a club with the same challenges as Shels, Bohs, Derry, Cork - they are not Liverpool, Man Utd, Celtic or Rangers! And its not the same as supporting a European team over an eL one, because the success of the Setanta Cup will be beneficial for all local football fans, north and south.
So who will I be supporting - I go for chips
Yep, typical Cork - it all comes down to money..
Now, I wonder what is wrong with this league?
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We'll just have to agree to differ on all of this then Steveyg.Aye, its definitely a bit of spin right up their with good ole Tone's best efforts, it's not just a turn of phrase or anything.
DCFC Steve, I have long been of the opinion that you find the most politically minded people in all of Ireland hailing from Derry/Londonderry (not everyone from the Maiden City, but a few), some of whom who are complete and utter gurning pedants.
Perhaps this is fuelled somewhat by a w*nker from Derry in the Ulster Scots Agency phoning up my work and lambasting me for sending a publication he requested to his home address adressed to 'Derry'. This sort of politically fuelled point scoring pedantry infuriates me no end, especially when the name is now interchangable since the Maiden City's Council became 'Derry City Council'.
Well Im sorry DCFC Steve but your little rant was up there with the 'best'/worst pedantry.
I read the thread about the Longford Linfield match with interest, and what I took from it was the Longford lads were not politically minded and played down a few of the Linfield support making bigoted arses out of themselves - It took your good self DCFC to try and exploit the minor incidents and take the subject of the thread away from football and into Northern Ireland politics - This annoyed me greatly at the time, but by the time I arrived the thread had been closed. In terms of biased, one sided views, yours should have won an award, claiming that all trouble, violence, sectarian song singing emenated from proddy clubs, with the one exception of this being Celtic. I wonder why you didn't post this view on ILF instead of Foot.ie, or indeed a lot of your opinions, because you know on ILF you wouldnt get away with them because there are too many fair minded individuals who also know more than most on here about football up North. You have a captive audience on here, and one which isnt going to be able to argue with alot of what you say, or to put it another way argue with how unbalanced your views and 'exampes' are.
Euphemisms are part of life - Im sure you could think of many more examples were 'nice sounding words' are used to describe pretty horrible acts.
Unless we agree to ban the terms 'rebel' and 'party' songs and use the phrase 'sectarian, hatred filled songs', I don't know what could be done, but then you didn't mention the 'rebel' songs, did you Steve!
Firstly - numerous people on here, north and south, have posted who they will be supporting in the final. Some have used footballing reasons for who they're backing - but a significant number (north and south) have used 'politics' as justification for them not backing Linfield. I didn't mention political reasons at all on my 2 posts re who I'd be supporting - and in fact my intitial post said that I wasn't even sure who I wanted to win (i.e. I hadn't ruled-out backing Linfield) ! Yet when I raise a question -albeit pedantically - on the topic of 'party songs', all of a sudden it's "let's all look at the bigoted Derry man trying to bring politics into it all......." !
Ironically - I DID mention Rebel Songs in my original post, but deleted it when I thought people would take it the wrong way when I said that 'at least that's what they were to a closer extent - songs about rebellion'. It doesn't make them any better, but at least they're labelled in a more honest way.
I take your points about pedantry, though as this is something that genuinely annoys me we'll just agree to differ. I have both mentioned and debated this point on the ILF previously - but gave up to be frank. Many of the Linfield fans on there didn't see anything wrong with singing the Billy Boys etc against Catholic supporters, and if they don't see anything wrong then there really is no point trying to give them the alternative view. There appears to be a level of tolerance of sectarian singing at Linfield that I haven't seen at any other club outside the Old Firm and possibly Cliftonville. I'm not saying every other club has fans with halos, but at the same time I'm not aware of other clubs who have this problem persistent. The singing of 'rebel songs' would just not be tolerated by the ordinary fans at a Derry game, for example (and please don't come-back with the stoning of buses away from our ground as a suitable response to this). It hasn't always been that way - but that's been the case for the last decade or so. That is the simple truth. The phrase 'party songs' is part and parcel of the tolerance bit I mentioned - making it all sound a bit more tolerable and normal than it should be. But I take your point that it's difficult/unlikely that the title will get changed.
As for me looking to stoke-up political and religious contention - far from it. I stand-up for what I think and believe - which is why I was shocked to hear Longford supporters tolerating anti-Catholic songs being sang at them. They may think it's a bit of fun from the security of their Midlands homes, but as a Derry man born and bred I don't. Likewise, any Derry fans who I heard singing sectarian songs would genuinely get shouted down by me, regardless of how big they were (For example - I almost got into a fight at an Ireland game in Basel with a Cork guy who I had a go at for inserting the 'Sinn Fein/IRA' bit into Fields of Athenry). But sure, I'm only an aul' bigot anyway....
As for my own personal political and religious views - I'm genuinely about as liberal a Derry man as you're ever likely to meet, as anyone on this site who's met me could hopefully concur. No doubt that'll inspire a few rolled eyes in responses, but there we go anyway....
P.S. When did I claim that "all violence, trouble, sectarian song emanated from proddy clubs, with the exception of Celtic" ? Regardless - I'll play along for a bit anyway. So- which other clubs apart from Cliftonville WOULD have a history and a reputation for this sort of behaviour ? There probably are others, but I can't think of any.
Last edited by dcfcsteve; 19/05/2005 at 10:17 AM.
$hels for me. I'll always support a team from the 26 counties against someone from another league!
Last edited by corkharps; 19/05/2005 at 10:15 AM.
The concern over Shels money and what they'll do with it misses one point. Is there a rule in the Setanta Cup that the prize money can't be used by IL teams to buy top class eL players?
Cork fans might just as well worry about Linfield getting the money. Think Georgie would look good in blue?
By the way the LFC in my name is not Linfield FC.
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