QuoteCan anybody actually provide evidence that Roy Keane holds the belief that only Irish born players are fit to play for Ireland.
I guess Roy junior ( could make it, its in the genes) , given his dad's beliefs will be declaring for England then. We need to know !Originally Posted by lopez
Ship? Back? I always thought the missus was English.
Neil?
Can anybody actually provide evidence that Roy Keane holds the belief that only Irish born players are fit to play for Ireland.
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Well he did say the following in the tunnel:
"You know where Senegal is? Well f*cking play for them then"
Nah, I'm sure that was just spur of the moment. He certainly knows what nationality his kids are.
But that was in reference as he said later to Viera doing lots of high publicity work for Senegal etc and promoting African football etc. That is not to say I agree with what Keane said but I dont think he has ever said anything that would reflect the belief that you should only play for the country that you are born in. He made of point of distancing of refuting the comments that he was alleged to have made about Mc Carthy. I think he was annoyed that that rumour was up by the FAI or anybody else in the room straight away.
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As for the langer, well just to stoke the fires of Mount Pro-Keane, he never did believe that anyone was fit to play for a country other than that of where their mother's waters broke.[/QUOTE]
Who's telling porkies ?
As you say yourself, Keane claimed AFTER the event that he said what he said in relation to Vieira's charity work. I for one minute don't believe that during the course of that heated argument in the tunnel, Roy Keane had time to think about Vieira's high profile charity work before saying 'you know where Senegal is? Then fu*king play for them'.
I can't see how anyone could conclude from that statement in the tunnel that he was talking about charity work highlighting African football - that statement came days later. Besides being an avid gunner, looking objectively i cannot see how Keane didn't mean it in any other way other than 'why aren't you playing for the country you are from mate?'
Don't think there's anything particularly wrong with what he said, it's just ironic coming from him. I just cannot understand the lengths some go to rationalise things Roy Keane says. He said it in the heat of the moment and he was out of order given his own circumstances, end of story. Even Roy says silly things at times, no big deal.
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So has Kleberson but he cant get ahead of Keane in the Utd team. There are some very average players with world Cup winners Medals.Paddy V.was right......unlike the Brat.....he's got a WC winner's medal.
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As you say yourself, Keane claimed AFTER the event that he said what he said in relation to Vieira's charity work. I for one minute don't believe that during the course of that heated argument in the tunnel, Roy Keane had time to think about Vieira's high profile charity work before saying 'you know where Senegal is? Then fu*king play for them'.
I can't see how anyone could conclude from that statement in the tunnel that he was talking about charity work highlighting African football - that statement came days later. Besides being an avid gunner, looking objectively i cannot see how Keane didn't mean it in any other way other than 'why aren't you playing for the country you are from mate?'
Don't think there's anything particularly wrong with what he said, it's just ironic coming from him. I just cannot understand the lengths some go to rationalise things Roy Keane says. He said it in the heat of the moment and he was out of order given his own circumstances, end of story. Even Roy says silly things at times, no big deal.
I think Keane said it in the heat of the moment but i was asking for evidence that keane has ever said that you should only play for the country of your birth. This accusation has been thrown at him before the incident with Viera. There is no proof that he does not respect the non Irish Born players in the squad, there is no proof that he called Mick Mc Carthy and English ****. In fact his wife and kids are all English born. Now the incident with Viera is been used by some to bring that allegation up again and trying to say that his real views came out in an argument. I agree with you Karlos I think it was a heated argument and I dont think he thought about it that much. However he may have been reading about viera in papers and seen him on TV doing stuff with Senegal for charity and thought " what a load of nonsense". Then when he is an argument it comes out. Have to point out I dont agree with the comments he said to Viera. However I dont think he holds the view that you have to play for the country of your birth. If you read the long thread and many other threads in the past this myth has been posted up time and time again and I was just challenging it as it can quickly become common perception.
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How come that everything that Roy Keane says or others claims that he has said /did something that is not right in peoples eyes,he gets slaughtered.Does anyone ever give the man the benifit of the doubt and stop reading between the lines.There is a big difference in what he said to Vierra about playing for France and not the country of his birth Senegal and second/third generation irishmen playing for us.Irish players get the right to play for their country by having irish blood(apart from Paul Butler) Vierra emigrated to France with his Family when he was young and qualifies through a different route.That's what Keane mean and has got nothing to do with the fact that you have an English accent playing for Ireland.Jesus lady,its not so long ago he was trying to get Darren Fletcher to declare for us because of his Irish Mother. Maybe he just prefers the Scottish accent
Jesus. There's some cojones being brought up here and it isn't just from Neil.
I can't see how it is affected by his own situation regarding someone playing for a country other than the one of their birth. He's not played for another country has he?
Initially I found it hard to believe this story, especially as it came from an English source. However I immediately got an email from someone who had a relative (FAI junketeen) present in the room when the Langer aluded to McCarthy as a Brit, and he claimed this bit was true. Moreover, he claimed the whole diatribe seemed to be reported verbatim. Now Neil, you believe what the f*ck you want to believe. I'll take the word of first hand witness.
Ah that old chestnut. How da f*ck would having an English wife and kids have to do with exonerating Roy's 'alleged' statement?
Sorry? Did you miss the bit about Viera's family coming from Cape Verde Islands. He's suddenly Senegalese because he spends eight years of his life in the country where he saw the sun for the first time?
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Quote..Lopez..Sorry? Did you miss the bit about Viera's family coming from Cape Verde Islands. He's suddenly Senegalese because he spends eight years of his life in the country where he saw the sun for the first time? FFS; Where's my England top?
What are you talking about? Vieira's family may well be from Cape Verde Islands but he was born in Dakar and when i last looked it was still in Senegal.So get back to your newcastle Brown or whatever your drinking and i hope the English top fits you.So who is the cojone now??
ding ding.....round 2
Well thanks for the honesty there WindBeag. Yet another fine example of the Free State education system. Why don't you f*ck off and follow a side with some 'real' Irishmen then?
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Quote..Lopez,,Well thanks for the honesty there WindBeag. Yet another fine example of the Free State education system. Why don't you f*ck off and follow a side with some 'real' Irishmen then.
The auld Tube System not running too well today then boss or did the missus forget to put the milk in the cornflakes.I Think you are a little mixed up as i sence a little bit of hostility here., At least i know which team i am following and it certainly aint the team whose jersey you are wearing.Hope the rest of your day goes well.
True he's never played for another country but Roy has refused to play for the country of his birth at one time, something he is now accusing Patrick Vieira of doing.
That's how it's related, it's not THAT difficult to comprehend.
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Ok a bit of background here. When I was a kid I lived in Canada for 6 years with my parents . Had we remained there I would have become naturalized and entitled to Canadian citizenship. Therefore had i been good enough at soccer, I would theoretically have been eligible for selection to play for Canada.
Through one grandparentś birthplace I was also eligible to play for Chile, through anotherś Egypt, through anotherś The Wee North and through birth in Dublin the Republic. Í hadnīt even the talent to play for American Samoa
Paddy V emigrated with his family to France aged 8. Therefore he was naturalized. Therefore eligible. Marcel Desailly was born in Ghana for Godīs sake and former French rugby full-back Serge Blanco was born in Venezuela!
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karlosTrue he's never played for another country but Roy has refused to play for the country of his birth at one time, something he is now accusing Patrick Vieira of doing.
That's how it's related, it's not THAT difficult to comprehend.
Spot on and another point. The rule that allowed Freddy Kanoute to play for Mali having represented France at schoolboy level was not in place when Paddy V gained his first cap for France. At that stage there was no going back!
As far as I know Keanoś kids ( and Trigger the dog) are about as Irish as the Gallagher brothers fronting Oasis.
Some people in this site and wearing squad number 16 have no idea what it is like to be the kid of an emigrant. Mick Mc Carthys Dad was from Tallow Co.Waterford and as he said himself in an interview on RTE Radio he was the only kid growing up in Barnsley that played hurling. If that doesnīt make you Irish a birthcert from Lombard St wonīt either!
I don't think you can question the Gallaghers Irish credentials. Both Liam and Noel used to be regulars at Landsdowne Rd (Not sure if they still are). Noel also turned down the chance to do the England world cup song on the grounds that it wasn't his country.
Keanos kids? Well I think his wife is 2g so that makes his kids pretty Irish in my view.
Think before you post your ridiculous notions of nationalism
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