According to eleven-a-side rovers will appeal aginst the eight point deduction they have recieved.What did they expect? To be completly exonerated from the lies told by Maguire and co.
"The Derry fans were fantastic in both matches. They sang their hearts out all the time and created an even better atmosphere than the Cup Final. They were brilliant. - David Graham, Gretna striker
The Examiner/Administrator said he would not appeal though.Originally Posted by Speranza
According to eleven-a-side rovers will appeal aginst the eight point deduction they have recieved.I;d say the only thing they could appeal against is that looks like no clear rules that detail the sanctions for break the rules...?
Yesterday's Herald said they'd appeal too. Very odd as I'd have assumed they cut a deal with the League to give them a points deduction instead of relegation or expulsion on the grounds they wouldn't appeal due to the certainty of the examiner saying they would not appeal.
But if they appeal on the basis that a points deduction isn't mentioned in the rules surely they run the risk that the licenscing commitee will agree and take their license away completely.
I also don't think that the club changing ownership argument works as while any new owners are obviously not guilty of what McGuire and co did they are still reaping the benefits of their ludicrously fraudulant behaviour. Rovers may well not have stayed up last year but for overspending and not paying debts and they wouldn't have got most of their points this year if they still weren't doing the same thing.
Whatever about the ins and outs of it my instinct is that they could well be successful and get away with the whole thing.
Shels supremo wants Hoops kicked out of league
23/05/2005 - 7:05:12 AM
Shelbourne want Shamrock Rovers thrown out of the eircom League after a number of Rovers' fans were involved in crowd trouble before Saturday’s Setanta Cup final.
While the game itself passed off without incident, there was some trouble outside the ground with gardaí making four arrests with a group wearing Shamrock Rovers and Celtic jerseys clashing with Linfield supporters.
Shelbourne secretary Ollie Byrne witnessed the fracas and insists he will appeal against the FAI Club Licensing Committee’s decision to deduct eight points from Rovers for filing the wrong accounts and will instead push for them to be kicked out of football for misbehaving fans.
“We all lose our heads in a moment of passion in sport, but you don’t come with a pre-meditated attitude to do some damage to people and that’s what happened. The clubs know the individuals involved and it’s about time it was stopped,” said Byrne.
“The Licensing Committee did not have the authority to deduct points and to take the Licence off them and then say they can stay in football. You can take the Licence but they can’t deduct the points. I already informed the FAI and Rovers and I felt the way it was done is wrong.”
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2005/05/23/story203749.html#
How can Rovers be responsible for people wearing their jersies going to neutral games?
i blames woodies. i'm not going to shop there anymore.
Ollie is probably in the process of shutting them down as we speak.i blames woodies. i'm not going to shop there anymore.
he is!! a group of fans wearing celtic OR rovers shirts tangle with linfield outside the ground at a setanta cup game and oily moves to have rovers expelled from the eircom leagueOllie is probably in the process of shutting them down as we speak.
he really is a silly *****.
and he is going to ban all rovers fans from tolka for ever and ever.
I suppose he is in the process of getting Celtic expelled from the SPL too.I know football is a business but if Ollie is now persuing Shamrock Rovers to be given the maximum penalty like St. Pats a few years back I think that lacks a certain etiquette. You don't try to ram your competitors out of the game even if it is a business. I'm not an Ollie Byrne hate club bandwagon man myself and I do admire the effort he has put into Shels but I find it distasteful if he is going to make a real concerted effort to have Rovers expelled.
And newbies & foreigners wonder why everyone hates Shelbourne.
Newstalk called them Shelbourne UNITED yesterday on their news bulletin.
Firstly, I don't agee with Byrne and think he is a total toe rag.
However, he has a strong case regarding Rover's licence eh, "difficulties".
Maybe other clubs have as well, but not as bad as what Rover's have gotten away with.
I NEVER want to see Rovers out of the league, but the eL will have to come up with some contortions to get out of this one.
Well Rovers will obviously demand a full and open enquiry into every clubs licence and the licence committee's functioning. Then we'll see the real situation I suppose.
I mean, we already know that the licencing committee ignored the 400 club when they were told the accounts were boll0x.
I mean will shels allow a full audit of their business practices in return for Rovers expulsion?
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
I wouldn't dispute any of the points you are making Macy, but either the eL will have to grasp the nettle and have a proper serious look at ALL clubs, and have a full look at the whole licencing issue, or else there will be a fudge again, and this whole ridiculous situation will carry on and we will NEVER sort ourselves out properly.
And I agree with that too - all or nothing on the licence for all clubs. I don't want a fudge, nor do I want a scapegoat.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
those are fair points, but oily is trying to have shamrock rovers fc expelled from the el mid season because 2/3 teenagers who may or may not have been rovers fans had a dust up with some linfield hoolies.
NOT because f any legitimate concerns over fai/el procedures.
he is really acting the opportunist ******** here.
which comes as a great surprise to....... oh wait, it's Oily.
Rovers are mad to appeal this decision, they'll probably stay up regardless and running the risk of being kicked out when some people would say they got off lightly to begin with is madness.
Ollie didn't say they should be kicked out btw if you just read the quotes, I reckon the whole reason he made those comments were to make it known those clowns weren't Shels fans despite what ahd been reported in the media with their sensationalist crap yet again.
well it was oily who told the press that rovers fans were the root of all evil....
but under it all, could oily have his eyes on tallaght stadium? get us fecked out on the most dubious rounds and then try and weasel into the stadium?
and to repeat the point, we told the licencing committe of the error, they ignored us, gave us the licence and then when the examiner was brought in, the error was made public.
Last edited by Roverstillidie; 23/05/2005 at 1:48 PM.
[QUOTE=Slash/ED], I reckon the whole reason he made those comments were to make it known those clowns weren't Shels fans QUOTE]
So he blames us instead.
BTW We'd be mad NOT to appeal the deduction. If an appeal fails then I'd say a full judicial review will be in order. That would mean every single document and correspondence pertaining to licencing being scrutinised. I hope you're all feeling confident......
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