That's not a Panenka.
That's not a Panenka.
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I mean, you're right - it's a toe bog. But for early 90s English football (especially second tier), it probably counted.
no....Originally Posted by pineapple stu
...there you go.
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Sounds like a bit of an all round disaster between Collins and Kelleher that led to a Chelsea penalty for their second goal. No penalty saving heroics from Kelleher this time around.
The pass from Collins was hit too hard and too far away from Kelleher, meaning he had to stretch and that’s what caused the problem. A few minutes into the match, Collins had hit a similarly problematic back pass hospital ball slowly to Kelleher which had to lunge at to clear the danger. Collins really has to clean that sloppiness out of his game.
So what you're saying is the most likely person to put Kelleher in a situation that he'll get injured is Collins? Well hot dawg
Last edited by rebelmusic; 18/01/2026 at 10:00 PM.
It's just happened again in the AFCON final. Two in just over a week, maybe keepers are being told to hold their ground more often these days.
I still don't get why goalkeepers dive before the ball is hit - maybe there is some stat that shows it works. Hold your ground - if the ball is hit properly you are not going to save it anyway - if its not hit properly you have every chance of saving it.
For a fella who has a lot to say on goalkeepers, the idea that you wait for the kick to happen and then dive is rather extreme. You don't have time for that, even if the ball isn't hit properly. A ball takes half a second to reach the goal from the penalty spot at top level - you can't react properly to that.
Equally good keepers don't tend to dive before the kick is taken - or not noticeably anyway. Otherwise the taker just puts the ball in the other corner. (The point of the stutter kicks is to force the keeper to commit to one side, even to the extent of being off balance, and then put the ball the other side). A good keeper will read the taker's run-up, and will likely have info on players' preferences too, and have a good idea of where the ball is going before it's kicked. So time your dive right, don't give yourself away to the taker, and that maximises your chance of saving.
mark crossley was the only keeper i've ever heard of, who used to wait for it to be kicked. he was an incredible penalty saver and always went the right way and when asked about it said that he waited to see. never heard of anyone else.
Pepe Reina began his career as an excellent penalty saver before his reaction and movement decline happened (it happened early for him - probably around 27, 28). He did an interview once where he said the key to his penalty saves were the arms. If a player is going to pull the ball (ie left side for a right footer), their opposite arm comes straight out to counter balance. If they're going the other side, it stays much more tucked in. i think it generally is true.
Jonathan whateverhisnameis on MOTD blamed Kelleher; for me it was absolutely Collins fault, as it was in the first half as Irishfan alludes to.
If I question Liam Scales ability to play intl football, refer me to this signature & his peformance at home at lb vs Port on Nov 13 2025.
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