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    Quote Originally Posted by passinginterest View Post
    I think Bazunu will be off to play in a top European league next season, either on loan or for a relatively big money transfer. He seems like a confident and ambitious chap and I don't see him having any fear of a move outside England.
    Maybe he likes living in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liamoo11 View Post
    This thread is so focused on searching for every mistake kelleher and bazunu have made to prove one of them will never be a top keeper. All keepers make mistakes. Take last night ramsdale had 3 very poor mistakes with crosses that he was just dog lucky that Liverpool didn't score from. If any of our 2 had those mistakes there would be loads of talk on here saying they would never be top level
    It seems like that sometimes but it isn't outside of a handful of posters really. Your post aligns with how the majority feel I think.

    If we had two strikers in similar positions (i.e. one 19 year old who missed a few sitters but is top scorer in League 1 while on loan from the best club in England and a 23 year old sitting on the bench behind Salah but starting cup games and scoring a few) we'd all be delighted. We'd also probably all think the latter could do with a loan move to play a full season or two. PL2 doesn't count for much imop when you see what Parrot did there compared to his form now in lower senior leagues (Odubeko is a more recent example).

    For some reason Liverpool fans and a few anti-Kenny heads have hitched their wagon to Kelleher so strongly that they take that perspective as an attack on Kelleher himself. There's a similar thread about Ciaran Clark. A read back through this thread doesn't reveal much criticism of Kelleher at all after he starts against Ajax in the CL i.e. when he started featuring in proper senior games. It is full of hyperbolic criticism of Bazunu and even the forgotten man Travers though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    An interesting thing to see is how Bazunu will avoid the same issues in the coming years.

    The only way out of sitting on the bench at Man City for him are (a) leaving the club permanently or (b) taking the number 1 spot. The latter, with the best will in the world, is odds against just by its very nature.
    Bazunu will never be a 24 year old keeper who has never played regularly

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    No, but that's not the point.

    How does he avoid being Man City's number 2 for an extended period of time?

    He'll either have to leave - and I don't see City cashing in this early - or take over the top spot.

    But he may well have to have a stint as number 2 to prove his pedigree in a strange way (as in, City's faith in him as backup might add to his marketability in terms of getting a good move)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    No, but that's not the point.

    How does he avoid being Man City's number 2 for an extended period of time?

    He'll either have to leave - and I don't see City cashing in this early - or take over the top spot.

    But he may well have to have a stint as number 2 to prove his pedigree in a strange way (as in, City's faith in him as backup might add to his marketability in terms of getting a good move)
    It really is the point. Kelleher risks going too long in his development where he hasnt played enough football.

    At some point Bazunu will most likely spend a season on the bench, or he will do so well on a loan stint that City genuinely will consider for 1st choice. He has a good few years on his side though and probably multiple loans spells to hopefully gradually better clubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    ...How does he avoid being Man City's number 2 for an extended period of time?...
    I'd use Henderson at Man Utd as a model. Pro terms at 18. A small number of games (9 and 7) on loan to Stockport and Grimsby in the next two seasons. Full season playing at Shrewsbury in League 1, then consecutive loans to Sheffield United in which they were promoted from the Championship and established themselves as a decent Premiership team, and which set him up to come back and fight De Gea (repeatedly the club's player of the year) for a starting place. His reputation is established in England, and if he tires of warming the bench (after some early to-and-fro, De Gea's been clear #1 again for a while now) he'll have no bother finding a Premiership team interested.

    Bazunu's career path has been similar enough so far, but a year ahead. I expect he'll probably be targeted at a Championship loan next season, possibly at Portsmouth again if he helps get them promoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83 View Post
    I'd use Henderson at Man Utd as a model. Pro terms at 18. A small number of games (9 and 7) on loan to Stockport and Grimsby in the next two seasons. Full season playing at Shrewsbury in League 1, then consecutive loans to Sheffield United in which they were promoted from the Championship and established themselves as a decent Premiership team, and which set him up to come back and fight De Gea (repeatedly the club's player of the year) for a starting place. His reputation is established in England, and if he tires of warming the bench (after some early to-and-fro, De Gea's been clear #1 again for a while now) he'll have no bother finding a Premiership team interested.

    Bazunu's career path has been similar enough so far, but a year ahead. I expect he'll probably be targeted at a Championship loan next season, possibly at Portsmouth again if he helps get them promoted.
    Henderson almost seems forgotten this season. It shows how competitive it can be to get a number 1 job. Ive said before that Kelleher risks being passed over

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    No, but that's not the point.

    How does he avoid being Man City's number 2 for an extended period of time?

    He'll either have to leave - and I don't see City cashing in this early - or take over the top spot.

    But he may well have to have a stint as number 2 to prove his pedigree in a strange way (as in, City's faith in him as backup might add to his marketability in terms of getting a good move)
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83 View Post

    Bazunu's career path has been similar enough so far, but a year ahead. I expect he'll probably be targeted at a Championship loan next season, possibly at Portsmouth again if he helps get them promoted.
    Bazunu himself has come out and said he fancies a premier league loan but more than likely would be a championship loan. Would love if he could get one from a team outside the UK if European football was involved.

    He'll have two years left on his contract in the summer so should be in line for a big pay rise. Ball is really in his court because if City fail to sort something and he goes into the final year of his contract he'll have plenty of interest from clubs in England and in Europe.

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    Man City have ownership in a lot of clubs around the world, including Girona in Spain. Something like that could be a good option for Bazunu

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    Quote Originally Posted by John83 View Post
    I'd use Henderson at Man Utd as a model. Pro terms at 18. A small number of games (9 and 7) on loan to Stockport and Grimsby in the next two seasons. Full season playing at Shrewsbury in League 1, then consecutive loans to Sheffield United in which they were promoted from the Championship and established themselves as a decent Premiership team, and which set him up to come back and fight De Gea (repeatedly the club's player of the year) for a starting place. His reputation is established in England, and if he tires of warming the bench (after some early to-and-fro, De Gea's been clear #1 again for a while now) he'll have no bother finding a Premiership team interested.
    Ok - but that phrase "if he tires warming the bench" is there, which is what I'm trying to get around.

    I'm sure Bazunu can leave Man City and find a new Premier League club whenever he wants - and probably Kelleher can too in fairness; I think any fears he's number 2 by default because Adrian was crap are gone now.

    But that doesn't mean he won't have to go through a year or two as backup keeper before having to make a call.

    Maybe it's just an inevitable part of being at such a big club (for both players)
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    comparing kelleher to people like henderson isnt really fair though. Henderson/Bazunu etc were GKs since they started playing. Kelleher fell into the position at schoolboy level having been an outfield player until 2011, his development is going to be different to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jd2793 View Post
    comparing kelleher to people like henderson isnt really fair though. Henderson/Bazunu etc were GKs since they started playing. Kelleher fell into the position at schoolboy level having been an outfield player until 2011, his development is going to be different to others.
    If thats the case its even more important that hes getting games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razors left peg View Post
    If thats the case its even more important that hes getting games
    yes , he should definitely be playing with shrewsbury on loan instead of being Liverpools no2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jd2793 View Post
    comparing kelleher to people like henderson isnt really fair though. Henderson/Bazunu etc were GKs since they started playing. Kelleher fell into the position at schoolboy level having been an outfield player until 2011, his development is going to be different to others.
    Bazunu played outfield as a schoolboy as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jd2793 View Post
    yes , he should definitely be playing with shrewsbury on loan instead of being Liverpools no2.
    Why do you think not playing football is better than playing football for a player's development?

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    https://twitter.com/shamrockrovers/s...84389654147074

    he played in goal at a much younger age than Kelleher

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jd2793 View Post
    https://twitter.com/shamrockrovers/s...84389654147074

    he played in goal at a much younger age than Kelleher

    And your take would be that because Kelleher played in goal a bit later that he benefits more now from playing less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ontheotherhand View Post
    And your take would be that because Kelleher played in goal a bit later that he benefits more now from playing less?
    my take is that he'll have needed more time to develop on the whole in comparison to someone like Bazunu whos been trained in a specialist position since at least aged 10 as that pic shows. A 4 year head start at that position seems like a lot! Kelleher will need game time eventually and he'll know this too but I fail to see how his growth is being stunted right now by being no.2 at Liverpool where he'll be training with and learning from some of the best minds in the game. Liverpool will probably sell him at some point in near future to fund transfers anyway so we can return to the comparisons then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jd2793 View Post
    yes , he should definitely be playing with shrewsbury on loan instead of being Liverpools no2.
    Yes he definitely should at this point. Being Liverpools number 2 he just sits on the bench for the most part. Playing 40 games a season at the age of 24 is not a lot to ask from a guy if he has any ambitions to develop as a player

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