How many LOI clubs have made a formal public response to the Lucid proposal?
If there's one thing I'd plead with those against the Lucid proposal to stop saying it's things like:
"People are saying an AIL is a magic fix that cures all ills"
"People need to stop thinking it's a silver bullet"
And things of that ilk. I really haven't heard many say that, and I doubt it represents a significant proportion of people. And I certainly doubt it represents a lot of clubs at board level.
I'm 100% pro an all-island league and my opinion on the Lucid proposal is tempered by that. But I do have concerns about what's been released so far. Even that absolute mess of a video that was deleted swiftly from twitter would make me question the judgement of those involved.
Last edited by bohsmug; 06/11/2019 at 6:29 PM. Reason: Made a balls of my own plea...
Bohs, as a club, haven't released a statement in favour (as far as I know) but board members have voiced there support in personal capacities online. The Bohs official twitter account follows the AIL one. I know how ridiculous it seems to mention that but there you go.
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If there's one thing I'd plead with those against the Lucid proposal to stop saying it's things like:
"People are saying an AIL is a magic fix that cures all ills"
"People need to stop thinking it's a silver bullet"
And things of that ilk. I really haven't heard many say that, and I doubt it represents a significant proportion of people. And I certainly doubt it represents a lot of clubs at board level.
I'm 100% pro an all-island league and my opinion on the Lucid proposal is tempered by that. But I do have concerns about what's been released so far. Even that absolute mess of a video that was deleted swiftly from twitter would make me question the judgement of those involved.
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I don't know how I wrote "isn't" instead of "is". Made a balls of that.
And as stated, the overwhelming majority of those clubs are from a unionist background. That is a simple straightforward statement of fact. Look at the freely available demographics of the clubs/areas concerned. Does that mean every single decision maker in NI football is form a unionist background ? No. Just the majority.
How can you explain the IFA going back on its decision to have a policy of not playing GSTQ at Cup Finals involving nationalist teams, immediately after the DUP asked to meet them ? Which resulted in the absolute Horlicks that happened with your own club last year. If the IFA genuinely strove to be a neutral middle-of-the-road body it wouldn't have done that. In fact, it probably wouldn't play the anthem at all.
Not at all. Those running individual clubs will take their own views on the basis of what is best for them. Their fans will often take very different views - which would place the likes of Linfield and Crusaders in a difficult position, as their fans appear to be adamantly against the idea. Much of which is summed up in the sort of "two countries, two leagues, end of story" stuff you see posted on the Irish League Forum. That's the unionist mindset that pervades football in the North, and has for years. Donegal Celtic and Lurgan Celtic even had to threaten legal action with the backing of the NI Equality Commission in 2002 to stop their applications to join the League structure continually being blocked. If the IFA did not have a unionist mindset, then it would feel uncomfortable with the anthem and flag issue for internationals and be looking to chance it. But they're not.
But it was not the clubs that made the decision, it was the IFA Board. Are you aware of the current demographics of the Board?
Yep, money, stadium development and no backbone. Think of the RHI scandal.
There is much more reasoned debate on ILSF on this subject, than the few "two countries" type poster. Those legal cases are some 17 years ago, and while there are still things that need sorted, the organisation has moved on considerably.
I'm not sure what you are on about tbh.
But still - why should we stop saying that?
What's wrong with it?
Do you think we should all think Lucid is great and his plans will come to fruition, or that we should just try it and see? Because as far as I can see, the cornerstone of the proposal is that an AIL is significantly more commercially attractive than either the LoI or the IL. And it's just not, as the Setanta Cup showed.
Again, if someone went before you for a job interview and said they were confident they could double your turnover in 24 months, but they had no CV, references or contacts, would you give them a job?
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