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    Quote Originally Posted by Straightstory View Post
    Yeah? They had little concern to riot about recently, but they still caused trouble - and yes, there weren't many of them. The announcement of a British withdrawal would mean trouble on an infinitely greater scale. I think if the majority in the north vote for a United Ireland, then a United Ireland there should be. However, many Unionists won't go quietly into a United Ireland. (After all, Republicans/Sinn Fein/The IRA never accepted the legitimacy of the Unionist Majority). There will be a bloody conflict and anyone who thinks otherwise is naive in the extreme.
    You obviously haven't been listening to unionists and loyalists in the north if you think they think they had little to riot about recently. They believe that the UK has bene broken, and they're now in an economic united Ireland.

    The days of ANY side using violence in the north to promote or stop things should be long over. I'd agree that some form of violence would be inevitable, but I think it would be containable and not last beyond the short-term to any great extent. What would loyalists be fighting for once London left ? It's also important to note that both NI and the south were born in violence 100 years ago, and that didn't stop either happening.

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    Without wishing to stray balls deep into a politica discussion on the subject, but I've always felt that Britain views NI the sane way it views the malvinas(falklands) or gibraltar.
    On the flip side I can't say for sure that people/politicians in the South of Ireland are really that interested in acquiring/unifying the North.
    My own uneducated guess would be for Northern Ireland to just become independent of all outside interference just like one of the former Yugoslavia nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by placid casual View Post
    Without wishing to stray balls deep into a politica discussion on the subject, but I've always felt that Britain views NI the sane way it views the malvinas(falklands) or gibraltar.
    On the flip side I can't say for sure that people/politicians in the South of Ireland are really that interested in acquiring/unifying the North.
    My own uneducated guess would be for Northern Ireland to just become independent of all outside interference just like one of the former Yugoslavia nations.
    They tried that independence lark for 50 years and the Unionists gerrymandered the election process to keep large numbers of Catholics homeless and unemployed not to mention denying many of them a vote at all.
    Not sure the Nationalists would see independence as a solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    It's not about my politics to state that :

    1) UEFA isn't the only way that a single league on the island would be possible.

    2) That political unification would obviously also lead to football joining together.

    3) That polls suggest that the majority of people north and south think that political unification will happen within the next generation (and thereby football unification too).

    The above are statements of facts, not politics. If you're not happy with them, you're barking at the moon. Have a go at your fellow kinsfolk in the north for daring to have a view you disagree with.
    It appears that UEFA may be willing to drop their previous opposition to cross-border leagues, which opens up the clear possibility of an AIL on this island, and very soon at that.

    I had thought that this was what we were discussing.

    The fact that you believe that there may also at some stage in the future be a major change in the political settlement in Ireland is all very well, but the consequences of any such change would extend into much more important aspects of all our lives than mere football.

    So why don't you take this extraneous stuff to the Football Section of a Political site, rather than polluting a Football site with politics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    It appears that UEFA may be willing to drop their previous opposition to cross-border leagues, which opens up the clear possibility of an AIL on this island, and very soon at that.

    I had thought that this was what we were discussing.

    The fact that you believe that there may also at some stage in the future be a major change in the political settlement in Ireland is all very well, but the consequences of any such change would extend into much more important aspects of all our lives than mere football.

    So why don't you take this extraneous stuff to the Football Section of a Political site, rather than polluting a Football site with politics?
    I repeat again, this is the point where this whole sub-discussion arose from :

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa View Post
    If it goes ahead (i.e. UEFA supporting cross-border leagues), it really would be the best (and possibly only) opportunity to implement a full integrated league system within Ireland.
    UEFA clearly ISN'T the only route to getting a single integrated league system on the island. Politics would also be another route for that - as I've outlined a number of times now. So it therefore isn't extraneous to raise it - particularly in the context of the above point which originated the discussion.

    I appreciate that you personally don't want this point clarified or discussed, but that's not your call. And it appears that a number of others do want it discussed. So if you don't like it, don't read it.
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