The girl who died in England

**paul_oshea** · 16/05/2005, 2:40 PM

i never said what race did i???

macy but if you are infereing that i meant they were of a certain origin, then yes 4 out of the 5 suspects charged are of the same ethnic background/origin.

or he couldn't off because he's an immigrant?

im not sure what you mean there?

finally i think its pretty obvious he is guilty if he has been charged and brought to court so quickly.

**Macy** · 16/05/2005, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

finally i think its pretty obvious he is guilty if he has been charged and brought to court so quickly.

He's innocent until he's found guilty by the courts, just the same as everyone else is. He's only in court so quickly to be remanded in custody - nothing to do with possible guilt (could be as much for his own protection if "the mob" are so quick to pronounce him guilty).

**paul_oshea** · 16/05/2005, 2:44 PM

they don't need to question them anymore so the police must be pretty sure. they have enough evidence to prove to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt, or so they think, otherwise they wouldnt have been so rushed.its obvious.

**paul_oshea** · 16/05/2005, 2:46 PM

He's only in caught so quickly to be remanded in custody

or that the police are thinking, we have him, we are sure its him, either he could be a danger to do it again or he could leave the country, nothing to do with "the mob", whoever they are.

**Macy** · 16/05/2005, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

or that the police are thinking, we have him, we are sure its him, either he could be a danger to do it again or he could leave the country, nothing to do with "the mob", whoever they are.

Probably do have enough evidence to bring him to court, but that doesn't make him guilty until a court proves him as such. "the mob" would be those that would jump to the conclusion that because he's charged he must be guilty.

**paul_oshea** · 16/05/2005, 2:54 PM

but that doesn't make him guilty until a court proves him as such

courts have often found innocent people guilty and guilty people innocent.

**Green Tribe** · 16/05/2005, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Maybe he hadn't done anything before, or he couldn't off because he's an immigrant? Not that he's been found guilty of owt yet anyway...
I suppose it blows your assumptions about the colour of the skin of those that committed the crime though...

Are you an actor on Coronation Street?? !!

**Macy** · 16/05/2005, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

courts have often found innocent people guilty and guilty people innocent.

Normally on fabricated police evidence - only a few miles from Guildford you're willing to decide someones guilt even before they've had their day in court...

**Macy** · 16/05/2005, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

Are you an actor on Coronation Street?? !!

No, from warburtons bread ads - the bread with nowt taken out...

**paul_oshea** · 16/05/2005, 3:10 PM

macy it doesnt matter how many miles they are from amarillo, if a person has committed a crime they have committed a crime, the law in england has changed a hell of a lot since then because of that case and the Brummie 6.

it brought about the PACE law. Police and Criminal Evidenece act,
introduced the Code C policy which says all that
i.e. every person being interviewed is assigned a custody officer who ensures everything is adhered to
e.g. interviews taped
offered legal advice / solicitor

**Macy** · 17/05/2005, 7:53 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

macy it doesnt matter how many miles they are from amarillo, if a person has committed a crime they have committed a crime, the law in england has changed a hell of a lot since then because of that case and the Brummie 6.

But none of them have been proven guilty - so as things stand they have only been charged with committing a crime, i.e. they are still innocent.