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    Finland have the same record as Ireland played 7 GD +2 pts 12 (dismissing results vs 6th placed team). But have a better goals scored (we only have 6, they have 10). We would like to beat Denmark by more goals than Finland would beat Greece by - we'd be in danger of being stuck in the bottom Pot otherwise for the Final Tournament Draw.

    Hungary/Wales game will be of interest to us too. Hungary could put the magic 5 playoff teams in Path B, but also with a big win could (as Finland above) put Ireland into Pot 4. But will know before they play whether we want a better chance of a nice play off Path or a better chance of a decent seeding.

    I think both Finland and Wales/Hungary will have a worse ranking of the 2nd placed teams than Ireland so barring above and assuming we qualify directly then we should be in Pot 3.

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    That Czech defeat decent for Ireland. Czech finish on 8 +2 15. Ireland will beat that with a win vs Denmark. Wales on 11 pts can’t beat 15, and Hungary with -1 GD will unlikely get up to +3.

    Pot 3 is a decent advantage and will avoid teams like Portugal Sweden Austria Turkey. Would be maybe Finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    There is no draw, that the point, check out page 36 of that poxy pdf.
    We knew there was a draw on Friday but we didn’t know if this draw was only a draw for home/away play off finalists, or an actual draw determining who fills up higher play off paths than their own. But the conventional wisdom in newspapers and from a guy from ESPN (Dale Johnson, all over twitter this week answering questions about processes and permutations), is that there is indeed a draw. It might still be possible that the play off paths are filled mechanically as per the bouncing balls video making it a moot point but the Irish Times, for example, is offering this scenario:

    "Finally, if Wales lose to Hungary then we will have to wait until Friday’s playoff draw at 11am to see whether Ireland will play Wales, Slovakia or Bosnia and Herzegovina although we do know that the fixture will definitely be away from home. This situation also applies if Wales draw and Slovakia unexpectedly slip up against Azerbaijan.
    In this situation a draw will take place to decide which of Wales, Slovakia or Northern Ireland will be moved up to fill the remaining playoff slot in League A. Bosnia and Herzegovina cannot be moved to League A as they are league winners and will therefore stay within their path while Uefa also stipulate in their competition regulations that hosts should be given the best chance to advance through the playoffs, meaning that Ireland will remain in the League B path as the only host in that path while Romania will be the hosts in League A and Scotland will be the hosts in League C"
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    I still hold a slim sliver of hope that Ireland will be included in the draw to join Path A.

    UEFA media still following that line (see below). But I admit this is probably just some journalists interpretation and when the committee come together to confirm the final intricacies of the draw, they will probably decide on Dale’s version.

    By the way, football seedings hasn’t the same strong opinion as Dale has. They say “probably” and “most likely” but have listed the alternatives of Ireland in Iceland’s Path too.

    https://www.uefa.com/european-qualif...as-they-stand/

    http://m.footballseeding.com/interna...nts/euro-2020/

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    The qualification process can surely be streamlined to some extent, what they did this time seems complicated to the point of ridicule. Keeping the Nations League relevant, how about the four winners of the top tier Nations League groups qualify, and if they then also finish in the top two of the traditional method too, the place just moves down? If they did that Kosovo, Serbia, the North and, well, ourselves, would be in, we'd have 24 teams and we wouldn't have any need for four tiers of play-offs. Or just the four best sides who didn't get into the top two (Serbia, Slovakia, ourselves and Iceland, I think, cutting out the results against 6th placed sides in other groups?). I suppose UEFA just one more matches and more lower-tier sides getting to the finals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    The qualification process can surely be streamlined to some extent, what they did this time seems complicated to the point of ridicule.
    It’s not that complex – even if it did cause all kinds of consternation trying to figure it out.

    The 4 best not qualified NL D teams play off – easy to understand
    The 4 best not qualified NL C teams play off – easy to understand
    The 4 best not qualified NL B teams play off – easy to understand
    The 4 best not qualified NL A teams play off – easy to understand

    In any play off path if fewer than 4 teams have failed to qualify the vacant space(s) in that play off path goes to [this bit arguably needed to be clearer]

    The confusion largely comes from
    (a) What happens if a play-off path can’t be populated by enough teams (as is the case with A)? Who gets bumped up? We think we know but…
    (b) The multiple host cities and the “host country clause” – but this is only an issue for the 2020 Euros so it’ll go away
    (c) In the run up to the recent final Group games the permutations were still wide and varied. So it was the outcomes that were uncertain until the very end, not so much the process

    Anyone prepared to bother understanding it could (substantially) understand it in my opinion. The problem is too many people only started paying attention late, and could barely even understand or remember the NL, but not because it was complicated.

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