uefa announce " liverpool need to finish 4th "

thecorner · 05/05/2005, 6:10 PM

imagine this scenario if france had won the world cup and something like this happened

1.switzwerland to our group
2.ireland finish runners up
3. france finish 3rd

uefa delegate turn to brian kerr
and say.."sorry we cant allow u to compete in the world cup...france are the holders and we have to have them in it

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has to be everton

**4tothefloor** · 05/05/2005, 9:34 PM

You can't compare the World Cup and the Euro's to the CL. These tournaments are held every FOUR years. Why in gods name should a team be allowed to qualify automatically through winning it when there is a gap of 4 years to the next tournament? It'll be an almost completely different team benefitting from something achieved 4 years previously.

The CL on the other hand is held every season. This Liverpool team should be able to defend THEIR title, should they win it. It's complete nonsense that there is even a possibility that the European Champions could be playing in the UEFA Cup next season! And UEFA know it, they're on about changing it in the future

Everton should not lose their CL place, should they qualify. For the record, I don't think they will qualify, they might not win another game this season. This is UEFA's problem, not the FA's. The CL is UEFA's competition, and the blame lies with them for this ridiculous situation.

**Dodge** · 05/05/2005, 9:56 PM

Originally Posted by thecorner

imagine this scenario if france had won the world cup and something like this happened

1.switzwerland to our group
2.ireland finish runners up
3. france finish 3rd

uefa delegate turn to brian kerr
and say.."sorry we cant allow u to compete in the world cup...france are the holders and we have to have them in it

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has to be everton

Not really the same as the winners used to qualify automatically, so France wouldn't have been in the draw. Think the CL winners should be in the next years competition. And UEFA didn't make any announcement over this. They said its up the FA to nominate the clubs. The FA have said they'll nominate the top 4 but will lobby for a 5th spot. As long as they don't get that I don't really mind

**pete** · 05/05/2005, 10:03 PM

The English FA will decide that 4th spot in CL goes to league place & not potential CL holder. In this way they will in some way place greater importance on their own league competition than Uefas. If it comes to a vote the vast majority of the league clubs will vote like that too.

Theres no way england should have 5th team in the CL as means some other country will lose out. Even converting a UEFA place would be wrong.

thecorner · 06/05/2005, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Not really the same as the winners used to qualify automatically, so France wouldn't have been in the draw.

sorry to burst ur bubble now but france would have been in the draw

...just ask brazil

**Closed Account 2** · 06/05/2005, 1:14 AM

Everton will get 4th place and deserve a shot at the Champions League, but I'd imagine they might struggle to get through the qualifiers. Theyve not looked the same since Gravesen left, lack European experience and if they got a tricky draw they could go out and into the UEFA (like Newcastle - Partizan a few years ago).

I hope they go thru as Kilbane (and perhaps Robbie Keane) playing CL footie would be good for us, but it will be tricky.

**mypost** · 06/05/2005, 3:29 AM

We won the European Cup 4 times, when only the domestic champions qualified for the competition next season. However, we won the EC in '78, and '81, having failed to win the league. In '81, we won the EC having finished 5th in the league. That didn't prevent us from competing in it the following season. So, England had 2 EC entrants when, (technically), they were only allowed one. The same should apply this season, if we win the EC, while finishing 5th in the league.

UEFA want it both ways. They want us to play in their showpiece final, while threatening the club with non-participation the following season. The club should therefore award the trophy to Milan by not playing the final, in protest. What's the point in playing and winning the final, if we're not allowed to defend the trophy next season? Yes, we haven't finished in the top 4 in the league, but that shouldn't matter if we win the competition. The whole scenario reflects badly not on LFC, but on UEFA, who have tackled this issue in a way in which only the FAI could be capable of!

thecorner · 06/05/2005, 7:30 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

We won the European Cup 4 times,

"WE"

**noby** · 06/05/2005, 7:53 AM

Originally Posted by thecorner

imagine this scenario .......

corner,

alot of the problem arises from uefa's own wording in the rule book. They say the winners finishing outside qualification place in the league may be entered into the comp. But the rules don't clarify how.

A lot of this could have been avoided if the rules were made clear when the same situation arose a few years ago in spain. IMO it's not good enough to leave it up to the ountry's FA, the ruling should come from uefa.

IMO (and I'm not just saying this now) the winning team should be allowed defend the title. So even if Chelsea had won it, there should be 4 other teams qualify too.

**jockser** · 06/05/2005, 8:08 AM

Is it still fair when the FA decided this time last year when Arsenal and Chelsea meet in the quater final that if one of them went on to win it 4th place would have to play in the uefa cup!?!?!

Hypocracy that is what it is!!!!

read it here under "What if".....

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/ContactUs...ean_Places.htm

**est1878** · 06/05/2005, 8:17 AM

it dosnt matter AC Milan will win Champs league.........everton will finish fourth fact

**jockser** · 06/05/2005, 8:19 AM

Originally Posted by est1878

it dosnt matter AC Milan will win Champs league.........everton will finish fourth fact

we have a new comedian

**drinkfeckarse** · 06/05/2005, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by thecorner

"WE"

Give it a rest will ya

**eirebhoy** · 06/05/2005, 9:34 AM

Originally Posted by fenabhoy

What about when R.Madrid won the CL & came 5th?Were in it the next season........maybe they should demote ano.minnow to the UEFA cup?

Davros' typing syndrome is catching.

**Karlos** · 06/05/2005, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by jockser

Is it still fair when the FA decided this time last year when Arsenal and Chelsea meet in the quater final that if one of them went on to win it 4th place would have to play in the uefa cup!?!?!

Hypocracy that is what it is!!!!

read it here under "What if".....

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/ContactUs...ean_Places.htm

It's amazing that the FA would even write that and we are not certain they have done. At the time of the Arsenal V Chelsea tie and this supposed FA ruling both teams were a mere handful of points from claiming champions league spots. Arsenal won the title a week and a half after the quarter final. It was highly unlikely that either side would have failed to finish outside of the top 3, let alone top 4 and would be astonded if the FA had taken this step in what was an almost implausible situation and a very duifferent situation than what exists today. That ruling if it was made was based on either Arsenal or Chelsea finishing fifth which was virtually a mathematic impossibility!

For what's its worth, I believe only the champions and holders should qualify for the competition. Had that been the case we wouldn't be having this argument. I believe however if Liverpool win it they should be in it but not at the expence of another club or country.

To be honest I think most clubs would start the season looking to finish in the top 4 to qualify for the champions league. We all want to win it, but it would be incredibly foolish for any club to neglect a league position in the hope of winning the competition. Had Liverpool even halfed the 13 losses in the league this year this argument wouldn't be occurring.

So while I think allowances should be made for competition winners, I think if Liverpool fail to win the cup they'll need to look at the 13 or more losses in the league rather than a failure to beat Milan or the responce of Uefa or the FA as the MAIN reason why they won't be there next year.

**NeilMcD** · 06/05/2005, 11:18 AM

This is Uefas, fault. It should be clearly stated what happens in the event of a team winning the competition and not qualifiying for the competition through their league position. It is UEFA's problem and they should sort it out. What should not happen is that Everton would be denied a place and another thing that should not happen is another club and country denied a space to get Liverpool in. If it is possible to add Liverpool to the competition in the qualifying rounds for example without kicking out another team then that would be a solution. But the EFA are right to nominate Everton, Man Utd, Aresenal and Chelsea as the four representatives for next years Champions League. In effect Liverpool would be UEFAs representative and not the EFA's so therefore it is up to UEFA to sort that out.

**noby** · 06/05/2005, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

But the EFA are right to nominate Everton, Man Utd, Aresenal and Chelsea as the four representatives for next years Champions League.

No. The EFA are right to nominate the top 4 in the division. The league ain't over yet.

I've said it before, this whole Liverpool/Everton CL debate, I can still see neither in it next year.