Quoteyea speranza that chomsky interview one is a great book. as brainy as the guy is, he always speaks simply and as critically as possible - he's no democrat either.Originally Posted by Speranza
oh more using people's misfortunes for his own gains ,
yea speranza that chomsky interview one is a great book. as brainy as the guy is, he always speaks simply and as critically as possible - he's no democrat either.
Wasn't aware of that Anto.......good criticism though....but didn't he challenge others to point out faults in 9/11 and nobody took him up on it??
Just wondering.Not so sure if I'd take the South Park guys complaints too seriously...maybe it was a bitch-fest between them and Moore.
Don't know if he chops and changes all his stuff though but open to correction.
Ah don't be cycnical.........he's spending loads of that money sponsoring university scholarships, employing many people to name only a few things.....so what if he's financially successful. That's not a crime.
Bush, his actions and all that are linked to him........THAT'S a crime.
Seems only Moore and a very few others have the balls to stand up to Bush and co.
What about the many who were on lowpaying jobs that he got unionised. I could go on and on.
A very good watch is THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11 a much less tabloidy style than moore and very well put forward.
i just think its poor film making how hard is it to make an idiot look stupid ?? he didnt have to do much work just get any speach from bush pick out the cringe worthy mistakes edit them together use slow motion etc( the bit in the school when the plane hit the towers ) to make it seem worse .
bush does a good job of looking dumb no one has to make a film to show him for what he is .
another good doco is outfoxed its about how fox news used lies and fear to boost the republicans into power .
there is one sence were a kid about 18 whose dad was killed in 9/11 is on the show saying it was george bush senior who paid and trained bin laden s men a true fact , the host goes nut s calls him a lier a traitor every thing live on air .
it will certainly put ye off murdock
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Forgot about outfoxed, it was unreal to see that tosser O'Reilly tear into the poor lad over daring to have a different view to his. If the kid had got up and beat him around the place it would have been justified.
Fox news however does bring a smile to my face with some of their "reporting"
Ironic thing about Fox news is that their slogan is "fair and balanced". Gotta laugh at that.
With regards to Moore I think he raises a lot of issues that need to be talked about but I worry that he's doing more harm than good. What I mean is that he has become so vehement and outrageous and often over the top that he can just be dismissed by the American right as a crank with a chip on his shoulder.
Things I don't like about him are his ego and his oversimplification of things that he doesn't really understand. In one of his books he mentions the Northern Ireland situation and the stuff he says is so incredibly over-simplified that I found myself wondering how much of the other things he says are portrayed according to what he thinks.
Chomsky is a good read for a more balanced articulate view of things btw.
Foot.ie's entire existence is predicated on the average idiot's inability to ignore other idiots
Fat useless lump!!
Yeah, have Outfoxed.........good doc........there's a site called Newshounds which was involved in that doc.......I check it evry day.
Moore's new book on letters from soldiers in Iraq is shocking to read and certainly not in tabloid fashion.I believe also that proceeds from the book is being donated to various veterans orgs etc.
Book written by lunatic right wing nutjob.
Yeah, that's the O'Reilly who turned down Vietnam TWICE...Interesting how so many of the right wingers love to see others do their fighting for them......Cheney (turned down Vietnam FIVE times), Wolfowitz, Perle, Shrub, Kristol, Krauthammer etc - all served their country gloriously.....in the USA.
Rush Limbaugh got off 'cos he had an infected boil on his ass.LOL
Chickenhawk......great name for the cowards.
Just seen an interview with a member of the Young Republicans on the Crroks and Liars website.. Interviewer asked him, since he supported the Iraq policy, had he volunteered to serve there. He replied, "Many of my friends are there but I've chosen to fight the war on ideas over here".
Nothing changes.
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Wow, with that kind of intelligent critique, you must have an enormous IQ!
Feck it, you beat me to it .
Originally Posted by Condex
Fat useless lump!!
Yip, that about describes him and on my IQ in the top 10% I'm told
also I don't think the adjective 'enormous' should be used as a measure of IQ.
Found this on the Newshounds website last night - a lot of it's about Clinton and the Balkans.
Remind you of anything?????? The "R" stands for Republican BTW.
"President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)
"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99
"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush
"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."
-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99 - ex speech writer for Bush the Elder
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years"
-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
THE NEXT ONE REALLY TAKES THE BISCUIT
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
"This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem."
-Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)
"You can support the troops but not the president"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."
-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
For us to call this a victory and to commend the President of the United States as the Commander in Chief showing great leadership in Operation Allied Force is a farce"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Once the bombing commenced, I think then Milosevic unleashed his forces, and then that's when the slaughtering and the massive ethnic cleansing really started"
-Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)
"Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"
-Pat Buchanan (R)
"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ... who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."
-Michael Savage (Right wing Radio pundit)
"This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals."
-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
"It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation."
-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)
"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"
-Pat Buchanan (R) - anti-Iraq war Republican
"By the order to launch air strikes against Serbia, NATO and President Clinton have entered uncharted territory in mankind's history. Not even Hitler's grab of the Sudetenland in the 1930s, which eventually led to WW II, ranks as a comparable travesty. For, there are no American interests whatsoever that the NATO bombing will either help, or protect; only needless risks to which it exposes the American soldiers and assets, not to mention the victims on the ground in Serbia."
-Bob Djurdjevic, founder of Truth in Media (Right wing website)
I'm not being callous when I put the "big grin" smiley besides some comments - the sheer hypocrisy of the above people is so funny.
Last edited by hamish; 15/08/2005 at 12:09 PM.
it reminds me of the 4th of july which was on the other night, the part when tom cruise goes to the republican ( nixon ) coference in his wheel chair and you have all these fat stupid idiots calling him a traitor because he doesnt blindly follow nixon like they do ,
Anto1208, I'm looking through all the above turdburglers websites to see if I can get direct opposite quotes vis-a-vis the Iraq situation - shouldn't be too hard.
love to hear what you think about the craven lot running the u.s...
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