Maccabi Dublin ??

[dcfcsteve]

ajax used to have minor connections to the jewish community but this has been blown out of all proportion these days.its bizarre that ajax fans have adopted the star of david as a fans logo.amsterdam had the largest group of jews in holland,so this was shown proportionately in the jewish support for ajax.the jewish thing is a cult thing for ajax.theyre not really a jewish club at all

Ajax's Jewish 'identity' developed over the years - in part due to the large Jewish population within Amsterdam, and in part as a reaction to Feyenoord's more right-wing support. They're 'Jewish' in the same way that Spurs are - i.e. large numbers of the Jewish community in each country identify with them. Spurs have the added reason of being based on the edge of the centre of London's large orthodox Jewish community (Stamford Hill, North-East London). But neither were set-up by or for the Jewish communities.

[Gerrit]

verona are not italian.
there is a romanian (romstar2000 i think is the name).
and a turkish (anatolyans), deaf team (st vincents) and russian (soviet union fc) playing in the leinster football league

on the website of Leinster Senior League I found nothing about those teams, but thanks to anyone who gave great replies in this topic. For a collector of addresses and historical info on football teams, this topic is a gift of God/Allah/Jahweh. Thanks a lot On which grounds do all these teams play ? I'd like to catch a game of them and photograph the grounds.

Didn't know there were enough Turkish people for a club in Dublin. I'd rather have expected Chinese/Asian teams and Eastern European teams, as they seem rather represented in Dublin.
As a PS: Soviet Union FC has a bit a strange name as the country disappeared after communism was dismantled, and though I have absolutely no problem with the name I wouldn't be surprised some people link it to communism.

Where does St Vincents play ?? I have a degree as translator for the Deaf and the Blind, so this surely interests me. In Belgium I saw several games of the Deaf League and deaf national team, but the Deaf League (mixed league for deaf teams from Belgium and Holland) was turned into an indoor/futsal league because of lack of players for outdoor football. Ireland has no Deaf League ??

The gay team in London's quite famous yeah. There is a gay league in England with 13 teams as well, as well as a Jewish league. I don't like the word "gay league" as 'gay' seems a bit an insulting word for a homosexual, but they call it "gay league" themselves so apparently it's just me being afraid to insult perfectly nice people.

Belgium also has a prisoner's league since shortly. 10 prisons entered a team in it, and the prison of Charleroi (notorious for its many long-term convicts) won the first edition. The prison of Hoogstraten (near Antwerp and the Dutch border) entered a team in a local "regular" amateur league and even won the league, but they had an advantage as every game of them was a home game: they weren't authorised to leave prison to play an away game, so the away games were played on the ground within the prison walls as well.

[anto eile]

The shamrock in Panas crest is a trifol plant (or something like that)

triflara being greek for shamrock

[anto eile]

I know how they got there colours, from the swedish flag they saw on a boat.


One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter so maybe O'Higgins was a tyrant and maybe he was a liberator but he did free chile from spain. He must still have his fans out there if there willing to name clubs after him and give him an honoury role in their history.


Why don't Pana fans wave around italian flags, mexican flags or even ivoary coast flags cause the all have green in there flags. Its a bit more than a coincedence. They were unofficialy set up by an irish monk.


I remember talking to a dutch man who was a Utrecht fan but he sateted that the owners of Ajax are Jewish and so they have a few Jewish fans.

bocas original colors were black and white stripes.but they lost a game v another team who also wore black and white.they played for the right to keep the colors,to avoid a color clash.boca lost.while sitting in the docks in BA, bocas founders decided to choose the colors of the next boat to have as their teams colors.a swedish ship was next into the ahrbor.ergo bocas colors.

i said nothing good or bad bout o'higgins.i didnt say he was a terrorist,or freedom fighter.he was an autocrat.you can be a good dictator,or a bad dictator.i made no reference to him being either.in fact he did actually bring in some good social policies in chile.

PAO have no connection to ireland.

go onto www.greenwebfans.co.uk or www.greenwebfans.com and ask on a forum why they wave irish flags.but its not cause they were founded by irishmen.

ajax had a couple of jewish presidents over the years.but not now.the jewish thing is over-played by their fans

[Karlos]

on the website of Leinster Senior League I found nothing about those teams, but thanks to anyone who gave great replies in this topic. .

Try the amateur football league for romstar rapid 2000 information - they play in division 1 on a sunday

http://www.amateurfootballleague.com

[anto eile]

1: on the website of Leinster Senior League I found nothing about those teams, but thanks to anyone who gave great replies in this topic.

2: Didn't know there were enough Turkish people for a club in Dublin. I'd rather have expected Chinese/Asian teams and Eastern European teams, as they seem rather represented in Dublin.
As a PS: Soviet Union FC has a bit a strange name as the country disappeared after communism was dismantled, and though I have absolutely no problem with the name I wouldn't be surprised some people link it to communism.

3:Where does St Vincents play ?? I have a degree as translator for the Deaf and the Blind, so this surely interests me. In Belgium I saw several games of the Deaf League and deaf national team, but the Deaf League (mixed league for deaf teams from Belgium and Holland) was turned into an indoor/futsal league because of lack of players for outdoor football. Ireland has no Deaf League ??

1:check leinster football league for thse teams.rté 2 aertel page 546 http://www.rte.ie/aertel/aertelplus/p546.htm or you can search for the leinster football league website, (if they have a website)
also some teams may play in AUL,UCL,AFL etc leagues.there are many different amateur leagues apart from LSL

2:soviet union and anatolyans play in leinster football league.a different league to leinster senior league. LSL is the highest amateur league before the eircom league.LFL is much lower.
you only need 15 players to get a team so dont need a big community really for an ethnic team.anatolyans at the moment are suspended from the league after a controversial game against robin hood fc (think it ended in a fight [because robinhood are dirty ba$tard$] or anatolyans walked off).i think anatolyans will be back in the league next season though

3:St Vincents play in leinster football league division 2 sunday.they play in the grounds of the deaf school on the navan road in cabra.[they are in my teams league (Shamrock Rovers supporters club team)]
check again here http://www.rte.ie/aertel/aertelplus/p546.htm for st vincents fixtures.theyre not all deaf,most of their players you would class as hard-of-hearing not so much deaf

[hamish]

on another note, in my younger days I played for a team in the
Athlone District Schoolboy League called "Pioneers"

My parents thought this was a great first step to a healthy alcohol
and smoke free life ... my my how disappointed they are

I always wondered if there was any connection between Verona on the
way to Blanch and Hellas Verona in Italy.

There used to be a team in the Roscommon & District League called Santa Cruz.
Dont know if they're still about

No Ash, they were fcuked out last season 'cos they were always fighting but they were a 100% Brazilian team - lot of them worked in some meat packing plant - in the news a lot, Hanley's, I think or some name like that.
Isn't there a club in the Chilean secodn division called O'Higgins - I think one of the guys mentioned it above.
There was a short lived outfit in the Sligo-Leitrim League called Croe or Crowe Alexandria, I'm led to believe.
My favourites in the country are Dynamo Rooskey and Spartak Dynamo.
I think I played a number of games against Pioneers a good few years ago, Noel Larkin was in the team - it was a summer league in the seventies and in St. Mel's Park too!!!

[hamish]

triflara being greek for shamrock

Hey Anto Eile, someone told me that Turbine tried to debunk that a few weeks ago. I know for a fact that loads of LOI clubs used to get St. Patrick's Day cards from Pana - in fact, I have one somewhere - nicked it off the then Athlone secretary!

[anto eile]

http://www.paocyberfans.com/history.html

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/...ad.php?t=22059
find the bull seeing red story a bit far-fetched, as bulls are color blind. they only get annoyed at the person waving a flag at him,not necessarily annoyed coz its a red flag though

[hamish]

Cheers for that - that's a first for the Turbine so - got something right about football. Still have the Paddy's Day card - wonder why they sent them??? Just curious.

[Gerrit]

Thanks for all these replies guys (even though copying all those addresses in my collection's files is long work )

I may try to catch a game of the deaf club, as I said I studied for translator for the Deaf and Blind so I am highly interested. Are they the only Deaf club on the island of Ireland (Republic and North) ?

Also, are all those amateur leagues related to the FAI ?? I mean, is it like a team becoming champions of the LFL promotes to the LSL and so on, and that all clubs affiliated to those amateur leagues can enrole in the FAI Cup ??

In Belgium we also have several districts that have leagues for companies' teams. In my native region for example the Police have a team, the University staff do, Samsonite has a team, Volvo has, ... I don't know if such thing exists in Ireland, though if it does it could be interesting as me and a colleague are trying to form a team for the company where we work.

No gay teams in Ireland like that one in England BTW ?? In my native country there's only one such team, being an all-lesbian team in the lower divisions of the women football leagues.

[anto eile]

Also, are all those amateur leagues related to the FAI ?? I mean, is it like a team becoming champions of the LFL promotes to the LSL and so on, and that all clubs affiliated to those amateur leagues can enrole in the FAI Cup ??


lfl,usl,afl and lsl are all different separate leagues.for example if you finish top of LFL you dont move up to LSL

afaik there are strict rules regarding amateur teams qualifying for FAI cup.i think you have to be in one of the leinster/munster.connacht&ulster senior leagues or an intermediate club.but if you play in the FAI intermediate cup , you cant play in the proper FAI cup. but im open to correction here.
email the fai or lfl or lsl for a definitive answer

[Le roi]

Hi Gerrit,

Yes you are right there was a Jewish club called Dublin Maccabi. They played in The Maccabi grounds on the KCR Road. The reason the club disbanded was due to fallout over money for the facilities in the KCR. The grounds were brilliant & were shared with a number of intermediate teams, however the prices kept rising every year and Maccabi could not afford to pay the new fees. In 1995 the club broke ties with Dublin Maccabi and set up Parkvale Football Club.

Parkvales’ president Adam Berber is an active member in the Jewish community and there are still some Jewish players, the club is not however considered Jewish anymore.
Parkvale have two senior teams playing in the LSL Major 1 Sunday & Premier 1 Saturday. They also have an academy and under 8’s to under 11’s.

Since 1995 the first team has been promoted 6 times in 10 years, been to the Amateur Cup Final, winners LSL Premier and runners a number of times. The Saturday team just gained promotion to LSL Premier Sat this year finishing 2nd to Lissadel.

The club has about 100 junior and senior signed players and currently plays in the VEC ground in Terenure, 5 minutes from the Old Dublin Maccabi grounds which Ben Dunne has turned into a GYM.

The website is www.parkvalefc.com

Not updated as often as it should be but has the background info. Hope this answers your questions.

By the way KarlosIRE did you play for Raheny because I remember that play off, you beat us on penalties in the Oscar Traynor Grounds. Are you still playing?

[Gerrit]

Does Parkvale get Jewish support ? Maybe the Jewish community in Dublin still sees them as 'their' club ?

[Le roi]

No not really Gerrit, I think the association died when the ties with Dublin Maccabi was broken. Also Parkvale moved to LSL about three years after the break so the majority of teams who would remember play in the Guinness Amateur League.

The team has changed a lot since then. When it was Maccabi there were strict rules. You had to be Jewish to play. I don't think that there is anybody left in the Parkvale 1st team that played for Maccabi (some play saturdays) Most of the quotes before were right they weren't up to much but now with new coaches and management they are going for a new younger team hoping to play intermediate in the next 3/4 years. This season was their first year together after a lot of influential retirements so management have adopted a policy of youth.

Sorry it was a bit long winded but to sum up I would not say that Parkvale is not a Jewish club but it does not discriminate against any. (hope that is politically correct and i don't offend anyone!)

[derek simmons]

Hi There,
I played for Dublin maccabi in the fifties when the ground first opened, they played in the lower divisions of the Dublin amatuer league.
The ground also had a huge club house, tennis courts,cricket pitch,and rugby pitch.
I believe it closed down in the ninties due to the Jewish community dwindling in Ireland.
Derek Simmons

[Superhoops]

Hi There,
I played for Dublin maccabi in the fifties when the ground first opened, they played in the lower divisions of the Dublin amatuer league.
The ground also had a huge club house, tennis courts,cricket pitch,and rugby pitch.
I believe it closed down in the ninties due to the Jewish community dwindling in Ireland.
Derek Simmons

Played there once myself in late seventies. No happy memories, broke my ankle after 20 minutes!

[Troy.McClure]

oh by the way there is a Church in Canada called the Waterford United Church

check it out.

http://www.kwic.com/~waterforduc/

nice to know we have God on our side.

Look, ye get the same attendences too!

[derek simmons]

Hi
Any old Dublin Maccabi original players out there

[derek simmons]

Guess not