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    We definitely need a pyramid and more joined up thinking. I just think a dedicated and arduous FAI Cup qualifying phase for non-leaguers is not gonna be popular with junior clubs. It'd be seen as a chore and an additional commitment, I suspect.

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    The idea that competing at the top level could be seen as a "chore" is exactly the kind of mindset to be gotten rid of, I think, and shouldn't be used as an excuse for anything.

    Most clubs realistically would get knocked out after 2/3 games - it's the way of Cups. There's 22 games in in the LSL Major Saturday. Hardly taxing to add 2/3 more.

    If it does pose a concern, get rid of the Leinster Senior Cup. A badly run, utterly pointless, competition with practically no interest.

    (Obviously that's a Leinster bias - but the MSL is 18 games I think)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    For the record, I'm not suggesting that teams in the UCD Superleague can enter the FAI Cup. If you have a fence around your pitch and changing rooms, I think that should be about enough.
    The sole entry requirement should be a slick-looking DVD.

    It's what JD would have wanted (sniffle)

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    Never gets old bar perhaps in Galway!
    One of the reasons, albeit a petty one, that I enjoy non-league teams in the FAI Cup draw proper was due the far to common arrogance among junior clubs that they were LoI standard but couldnt be bothered with the hassle. Bar the odd exception like St Francis (or if a Dundalk fan Ashtownvilla/Malahide/Drogheda cup shockers) they usually get put in their place at least in the end...

    Non league clubs should probably have to cede home advantage depending on their ground or find a suitable alternative. I get that that takes away from the romance of the cup but Stu's correct on the minimum being a permanant barrier arround the pitch and a reasonable clubhouse - changing rooms obviously lol, a bar preferably, but that there is definitely something along the likes of a medical room or one that can be temporarly kitted out. Changing roooms could suffice but definitely ambulance access that doesnt require a hike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    Non league clubs should probably have to cede home advantage depending on their ground or find a suitable alternative.
    That pretty much happens whenever they draw a LOI club. Bluebell moved their game to Tallaght a couple of years ago Crumlin moved to Iveagh Gardens against Dundalk, CIE to Greenogue against UCD.

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    Is that by choice though or by requirement? Not that it makes that much difference if it happens in practice. NL clubs might move to maximise the potential income but if they insisted on playing on a cabbage patch sould they do do?

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    No, after the`first round they're forced unless they have a good ground. The FAI are strict on ground specs even in the Junior and Intermediate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Most clubs realistically would get knocked out after 2/3 games - it's the way of Cups.
    I don't what kind of maths they teach in UCD but 3/4 of initial entrants will be gone after 2 games.

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    Well that assumes they all start in the first round, which mayn't be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Well that assumes they all start in the first round, which mayn't be the case.
    If all teams do not start in the first round that makes progress more improbable for those who do because the probability of a team who started in round 1 reaching round 4 is 12.5% while a team starting in R3 has a 50% of making R4.

    Anyway my point stands a team in any KO tournament has at the nth round has a 25% chance of progressing to nth+2 as does my point about the sums they teach in Belfield.

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    But I'm talking about all non-league teams, not just teams starting in the first round.

    I think overall, there was nothing wrong with my statement, which is that most clubs - whatever stage they join at - will only last a max* of 2/3 games, and so seand's concerns about overloading non-league clubs' seasons are unfounded.

    * - I should really have said in my original post that most clubs would be knocked out after 2/3 games, not would get knocked out. So it's an English typo, not a maths error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    But I'm talking about all non-league teams, not just teams starting in the first round.

    I think overall, there was nothing wrong with my statement, which is that most clubs - whatever stage they join at - will only last a max* of 2/3 games, and so seand's concerns about overloading non-league clubs' seasons are unfounded.

    * - I should really have said in my original post that most clubs would be knocked out after 2/3 games, not would get knocked out. So it's an English typo, not a maths error.
    Did you not learn the Hole and Digging equation below?

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    Must have been in the bar when they were giving that talk.

    Bottom line is that, unless you want to get into tedious minutiae (and evidently you do - but then this is the internet after all), the fundamental point I made was entirely correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Must have been in the bar when they were giving that talk.

    Bottom line is that, unless you want to get into tedious minutiae (and evidently you do - but then this is the internet after all), the fundamental point I made was entirely correct.
    So so in UCD the uncontestable truth is tedious minutiae, nice to know that privilege outweighs logic.

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    Lucan beat Aisling Annacotty 3-1 (aet) and St Michael’s beat Sheriff 1-0 in the outstanding qualifying round ties over the weekend. Anyone know when draw for 1st round is taking place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie C View Post
    Lucan beat Aisling Annacotty 3-1 (aet) and St Michael’s beat Sheriff 1-0 in the outstanding qualifying round ties over the weekend. Anyone know when draw for 1st round is taking place?
    July 4th was the draw last year, for the first round involving LoI teams on Aug 10/11, so possibly some time around then, but really who knows.

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    Assume it'll be held during the festival of football in Limerick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie C View Post
    Lucan beat Aisling Annacotty 3-1 (aet) and St Michael’s beat Sheriff 1-0 in the outstanding qualifying round ties over the weekend. Anyone know when draw for 1st round is taking place?
    After what's been happening in the Junior Cup, do we really want them in the Senior??

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    Drives me nuts, why can't they do the draw now and let us anticipate.

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    Draw is on Monday 8th at 19:00.

    Non-LoI teams are:
    Maynooth University Town
    Collinstown
    Malahide United F.C.
    Glebe North
    Lucan United
    Crumlin United
    Killester Donnycarney F.C.

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