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    So by "ongoing", it appears to mean that they asked months ago the FAI said "Yeah, sure it'll be grand; don't worry about it"?

    562k is a hell of a lot for a LoI club to lose in one season. Europe wouldn't put a dent in that tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    The answer to that may lie in this article the issue has been ongoing for a number of months since Pats first made their moves some months ago.
    Gavin took the viewpoint that Waterford were uefa certified because the old debts were paid.
    Looking at the Waterford fans forum, apparently they owe somebody a few quid ... an ex manager, so any argument they have is null and void should they appeal.
    Theres a prize for bringing the most fans you know

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    No need for a CAS hearing. Jawn Delaney could just ask for an extra team to be allowed in the competition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeikial View Post
    No need for a CAS hearing. Jawn Delaney could just ask for an extra team to be allowed in the competition
    Power to ask for 5 million compensation in exchange for shutting up about it all

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    Waterford are no more or less eligible today than they were 6 months ago. If they were told by the FAI that they were eligible then they should take it up with the FAI directly. UEFA are unlikely to change their mind and Waterford will **** away a fortune challenging the decision.
    Sounds like Delaney (or someone else at FAI) promised something they couldn’t deliver.

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    Surely the FAI are wide open for Waterford to seek compensation from them. If they stated that its all good to go for Waterford and that has not been the case then Waterford could have a case to seek compensation related to expenses thay committed to on the basis of 'qualifying' for Europe. They should have known the rules but the FAI ahve more or less said ignore that and we'll sort you out. Waterford's cheerleader and UEFA influence gets cut lose and the picture changes quickly. Any lack of sympathy I have is based on the spin that the Wterford name change was just that a name chage and no more, not a phoenix club that was cutting creditors loose. Im liking this new air of transparency that is suddenly happening (in baby steps) at Abbotstown!

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    You can't sue the FAI I think - participation agreement.

    Though that may be tested if Delaney's gone I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    You can't sue the FAI I think - participation agreement.

    Though that may be tested if Delaney's gone I guess
    I would like to see that tested in the courts regardless of Delaney or not. I was of the opinion that agreeing not to sue, like with those signs on entering a premises at ones own risk dont stack up in a court of law if there is a case to be answered, im sure the same principle applies. Be ironic if it was Waterford challanging the FAI in this regard.

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    I'm not sure what they'd have anyway. Anything the FAI "promised" must surely (a) be ultra vires and (b) evidential that Waterford knew a stroke was being pulled

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    It'd be a long shot probably but the FAI did say that they would be ok for Europe, no sense of maybe on this. It was a committal statement from Gavin that has since been overturned, there could be a case for the minimum earnings for EL qualification. It would probably depend on the reasons behind the FAIs confidence that it would be grand. If they were providing false info....

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    Well, we only have Power's word for that, don't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    It'd be a long shot probably but the FAI did say that they would be ok for Europe, no sense of maybe on this. It was a committal statement from Gavin that has since been overturned, there could be a case for the minimum earnings for EL qualification. It would probably depend on the reasons behind the FAIs confidence that it would be grand. If they were providing false info....
    Well assurances can be sought and assurances can be given. But when the assessment and appeals processes are meant to be independent of administrators they mean feck all squared.

    Now have the fai managed to actually get out of this relatively unscathed? Or does this hint of outstanding football debt open a can of worms about the domestic licencing process? Did we miss the usual whiff of fudge in the stench of bs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    It'd be a long shot probably but the FAI did say that they would be ok for Europe, no sense of maybe on this. It was a committal statement from Gavin that has since been overturned, there could be a case for the minimum earnings for EL qualification. It would probably depend on the reasons behind the FAIs confidence that it would be grand. If they were providing false info....
    The FAI informed Waterford and the wider public of their considered opinion that Waterford would get their licence.
    However Gavin did not offer an absolute committal statement.
    "We don't see any significant issues around Waterford that would prohibit them from getting a licence"

    Gavin should have seen the issues for what they were worth.
    The FAI are governing the LOI, Gavin is the person responsible and this was a cut and dried case to a person in that position, especially as Pats had made it known to the FAI of their reservations and preparations for replacing Waterford.
    The FAI are being handsomely paid by the clubs to govern the league and in this case they have totally fcked it up.

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    Sad to see some Waterford fans buying the spin making us out to be the bad guys. The FAI and JD are to blame for this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D24Saint View Post
    Sad to see some Waterford fans buying the spin making us out to be the bad guys. The FAI and JD are to blame for this mess.
    Will the Europa League participation windfall be spent on the club, e.g players, remedial work on the shed to stop it caving in, or will the club owner dip his beak in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalymountrower View Post
    Will the Europa League participation windfall be spent on the club, e.g players, remedial work on the shed to stop it caving in, or will the club owner dip his beak in?
    There's a clause in the contract for League of Ireland clubs. Any Euro prize money that isn't siphoned off by the owners must be pished away on player wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seand View Post
    There's a clause in the contract for League of Ireland clubs. Any Euro prize money that isn't siphoned off by the owners must be pished away on player wages.
    This happens after the FAI get a “bridging loan” to pay the club the money they are due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalymountrower View Post
    Will the Europa League participation windfall be spent on the club, e.g players, remedial work on the shed to stop it caving in, or will the club owner dip his beak in?
    unfortunately we can’t rely on the corpo to sort our ground out. Its all fan and owner funded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D24Saint View Post
    unfortunately we can’t rely on the corpo to sort our ground out. Its all fan and owner funded.
    in other words 'not done'
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