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    Quote Originally Posted by wexfordned View Post
    Somewhere that isn't Ireland. You couldn't be so defensive about Delaney and so condescending about the fans protests if you were a regular at Ireland games and/or LOI games and seen the FAI "in action"
    Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Interesting.
    I guess Japan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggs246 View Post
    I guess Japan!
    Even. More. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    There's a world of difference between saying something about a person and a publicly accountable sports association.
    What could be argued, that they have some reputation to lose?
    The FAI would be some legal eagles best friend if they chose to blow millions sending legal letters to every such criticism of them and would in a flash lose all sports funding.
    Imagine the fall out if they had spent the reputed Eur50k to take a challenge to the high court to rail against disclosure of a 100k loan
    Kerr's statement has been widely repeated in media. It's evidence until it's not. The FAI, if so motivated, have the opportunity to challenge it with a statement to correct the record, Kerr would either have to put up or shut up.
    I've been involved in moderating one forum, and paying the costs of the upkeep of another (hence my reticence to criticise the moderating on this site) where the Irish sport NGB were justifiably criticised. However both sites received letters from solicitors asking for posts making claims without evidence to be removed or further action would be taken. Like Tets has done here, he's asked for evidence, and it's not been provided, for whatever reason.

    I can't stand what the FAI have done, I abhor what Delaney's done, but I understand what Tets is doing, and in my very limited experience, he's right.
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    24 hours to provide evidence that LOI clubs haven't been paid their winnings from the 2018 season, otherwise I'm deleting the posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    and if the protest does damage to the association, in the form of a points deduction or a fine, what then?
    I guess you're going to get your answer Tets.

    Quote Originally Posted by UEFA
    Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the European Qualifiers group D match between Republic of Ireland and Georgia (1-0), played on 26 March

    Charges against Republic of Ireland:
    - Throwing of objects - Art. 16 (2) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations

    The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary on 16 May.

    https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/disc.../#post_4277712

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    Some of the fine should be sent to Ciaran Kennedy c/o The Irish Times
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    I went looking for previous charges of a similar nature to see the outcomes, last year Liverpool were charged €6K for "throwing of objects" and the setting off of fireworks in the CPL quarter final against Man City, while Barcelona got just a warning for the same offence around the same time after a tie with Roma. Suffice to say it's likely to be figurative slap on the wrist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Some of the fine should be sent to Ciaran Kennedy c/o The Irish Times
    Provide some evidence or gtfo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom View Post
    Provide some evidence or gtfo.
    Kennedy was the one who wrote the article mentioning the protest, that was unplanned until that point: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...aney-rpghbwxg9
    In protest, some fans are planning to throw tennis balls on to the Aviva Stadium pitch to disrupt the game against Georgia, with others taking to social media to call for a boycott of the fixture.
    There was no mention of it on social media, or posts about it on any forum, before that article
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    Seems YBIG are starting to realise that if you publically post this stuff, you'll come undone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    24 hours to provide evidence that LOI clubs haven't been paid their winnings from the 2018 season, otherwise I'm deleting the posts.
    For what it's worth, I know when I was doing the books at a LoI club a couple of years back (not UCD), prize money was just offset against league entry, fines, and referees' fees.

    So the FAI didn't pay prize money, UEFA solidarity, etc, and the club didn't pay league entry, referees, etc.

    The two roughly balanced out, and every now and again a balancing payment was made.

    So I could believe prize money hasn't been paid - but it doesn't necessarily mean what it sounds like

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Kennedy was the one who wrote the article mentioning the protest, that was unplanned until that point: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...aney-rpghbwxg9

    There was no mention of it on social media, or posts about it on any forum, before that article
    How do you know it wasn't pre planned?

    With apps such as whats app you can spread information all around the country in a short timeframe without posting it all over the internet/social media

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    I haven't seen it repeated anywhere. Please provide links.
    Have you looked?
    search term - Brian Kerr Delaney

    Virgin media sport video feed
    https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status...382977/video/1

    Off the Ball
    https://www.facebook.com/offtheball/...1825732473008/

    repeated on
    https://www.balls.ie/football/watch-...delaney-407845
    https://www.the42.ie/brian-kerr-john...57959-Mar2019/

    Its hard to credit that you think that discussion of the affairs of the FAI is out of the question on a football discussion board.
    A total absence of rationality.

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    Be fair to Tets. Dahamsta reported a few years ago how he was being sued by someone on here. For a small business owner this must be a nightmare, so I get why Tets has asked for sources and is reluctant to let this debate take place. A case of 'Don't shoot the messenger,' and with JD's history of legal intervention, not without precedence.

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    And let's not forget that discussion was banned on two different clubs on this forum due to legal communications over topics being discussed, one of whom is still banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Have you looked?
    search term - Brian Kerr Delaney

    Virgin media sport video feed
    https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status...382977/video/1

    Off the Ball
    https://www.facebook.com/offtheball/...1825732473008/

    repeated on
    https://www.balls.ie/football/watch-...delaney-407845
    https://www.the42.ie/brian-kerr-john...57959-Mar2019/

    Its hard to credit that you think that discussion of the affairs of the FAI is out of the question on a football discussion board.
    A total absence of rationality.
    Maybe I should have been clearer, I haven't seen Kerr's statement about LOI clubs not receiving their prize money repeated anywhere.
    The only one of those links that mentions it is on the Virgin Media Sports twitter account.
    It's interesting that none of the other sites have embedded the tweet, or discussed that part of Kerr's discussion.

    I'm not saying we can't discuss the FAI's finances, I'm saying I'm not entertaining anything that can't be backed up with evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Maybe I should have been clearer, I haven't seen Kerr's statement about LOI clubs not receiving their prize money repeated anywhere.
    The only one of those links that mentions it is on the Virgin Media Sports twitter account.
    It's interesting that none of the other sites have embedded the tweet, or discussed that part of Kerr's discussion.

    I'm not saying we can't discuss the FAI's finances, I'm saying I'm not entertaining anything that can't be backed up with evidence.
    Whether you personally entertain it is another matter. I don't know whether it is true or not, but it remains unanswered.
    I'm saying this question of FAI governance is already out there in media outlets, sitting on the websites. of Virgin Media and Newstalk. This is the FAI, not an individual and and as a publicly accountable sporting association there will be questions asked about their governance. Are they holding on to the Uefa money longer than they should? are they delaying with forwarding funds to the clubs?
    The FAI can chose to deny the allegation or they can continue to ignore it. Delaying paying out the funds to LOI clubs is not a crime, the FAI as a board have a right to take those decisions according to rules by which they govern the LOI.

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