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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    think Clark's parents are from Dublin
    You're right!

    That being said it would be a horrible precedent for us and would retroactively make a few of our players ineligible. Obviously they'd still be allowed play for us but all future granny rule caps will need passports before they play for another country.

    It's stupid anyway because both Crowley and Johansson were eligible for Irish nationality from birth. The rule is designed to stop nationality changes like Diego Costa who obtain citizenship through residency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    One parent is 2G (the one you're referring too) be the other is Irish-born. Not sure if it's Donegal or Dublin.
    There's definitely a Donegal connection. Clark and his family were all in Letterkenny last summer, they were out drinking in the pub I'd frequent in the town. Spent a while talking to Ciarans father when he spotted the Finn Harps jersey on me. He was saying he wanted to get Ciaran a Harps jersey because of his family links to Donegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut View Post
    You're right!

    That being said it would be a horrible precedent for us and would retroactively make a few of our players ineligible. Obviously they'd still be allowed play for us but all future granny rule caps will need passports before they play for another country.

    It's stupid anyway because both Crowley and Johansson were eligible for Irish nationality from birth. The rule is designed to stop nationality changes like Diego Costa who obtain citizenship through residency.
    If I were the FAI, i would propose a rule change which changed the wording "had the nationality" to "had the nationality, or was entitled to have the nationality". There have been quite a few changes to the rules that have happened over the years and this one, given the situation regarding Ryan Johansson's situation seems logical and it's so minor that I can't imagine anyone would object except perhaps Sweden and Luxembourg (and maybe Scotland, England and Wales).

    Obviously, it's also inherent on the FAI to proactively get people working on registering every young 3G youngster on the foreign birth's register. The likes of Louie Barry, CJ O'Reilly, Liam Delap before they play in the U17s for England in a few months...

    To use Ryan Johansson as a good example, it's totally criminal that a decision he made when he was 15 - where he was explicitly told by his association that he could change to Ireland at a later date – comes back to haunt him in this way... I could certainly imagine Delap or Barry having a change of heart a few years down the line...

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    Excellent tonight. Has done well this season mostly first choice . We dont have any footballers like him in the senior squad. Great talent lovely to see him getting career back on track

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    Lovely assist for the winner alright, composure and then the quality on the ball in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    think Clark's parents are from Dublin
    Detailed info on Clark's background and connections here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Democrat
    Although London born and an England underage international, Clark has strong Donegal connections. He is the grandson of Vera Clark, originally from Moyle Hill in Milford, but presently living in Manorcunningham.

    Ciaran's father Michael, although born in Edinburgh when his family were working in Scotland for a time, is a former student of Drummond National School in Ballyare (Donegal) and played for Milford United under Fr Michael Herrity as a teenager.

    Michael eventually decided to move to England to find work and his wife Peggy, from Drumshambo, Co Leitrim, who trained as a nurse in Letterkenny General Hospital, left with him in early 1989. Michael now works with the London Underground, although makes the trip home on two or three occasions a year to visit his sizable extended family that includes the McGinleys, Lynaghs, McMonagles, Sweeneys and McCuskers.

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    What’s the latest on Crowley?

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    Great cross, defence really left Randolph down

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut View Post
    Hopefully he should be fine. Like I highly doubt Callum Robinson and Ciaran Clark had Irish passports when they played competitively for England U21s and they were deemed eligible by way of grandparents.
    Clark has Irish born parents, he could legitimately switch from the FA to FAI. We don’t know when Callum obtained his Irish nationality but the odds are that he was ineligible to switch when he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Clark has Irish born parents, he could legitimately switch from the FA to FAI. We don’t know when Callum obtained his Irish nationality but the odds are that he was ineligible to switch when he did.
    I may have missed it but has someone interpreted the rules to conclude that Robinson was "ineligible" to switch when he did and, by deduction, Johansson and Crowley are now? Do we think the rules have clearly set out to ensure that players with circumstances like Robinson, Crowley and Johansson are ineligible? Or is there ambiguity in the rules that has been highlighted by Luxembourg and needs to be eradicated, one way or the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    I may have missed it but has someone interpreted the rules to conclude that Robinson was "ineligible" to switch when he did and, by deduction, Johansson and Crowley are now? Do we think the rules have clearly set out to ensure that players with circumstances like Robinson, Crowley and Johansson are ineligible? Or is there ambiguity in the rules that has been highlighted by Luxembourg and needs to be eradicated, one way or the other?
    There are not many countries like Ireland who allow 2nd generation foreign born to apply for citizenship without residency requirements. And the FIFA statutes are already quite generous in allowing for a player with a grandparent connection to circumvent the 5 year residency requirement.
    As it stands now based on precedent, there is no ambiguity in the FIFA rules, Luxembourg have first call on Ryan as he had not applied for Irish nationality (based on his one Irish granny).

    We're not sure about Robinson, we don't know exactly when Robinson became an Irish national or did his application to switch just fall outside FIFA radar of scrutiny as the English FA were not objecting? Or when his application landed on the FIFA desk, did it come with a huge red stamp on the cover page "Already Approved" - signed JD.

    Crowley probably occupies the same questionable area as Johansson, but FIFA have not answered either way on his application yet so there's still an element of hope, albeit a dimming element.

    The moral is, don't ever leave the Irish set up.

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    Was that Crowley who crossed for Brum's winner last night? Deft touch, whoever's it was.

    Edit: Sorry, just saw Crafty's post on the previous page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    There are not many countries like Ireland who allow 2nd generation foreign born to apply for citizenship without residency requirements. And the FIFA statutes are already quite generous in allowing for a player with a grandparent connection to circumvent the 5 year residency requirement.
    As it stands now based on precedent, there is no ambiguity in the FIFA rules, Luxembourg have first call on Ryan as he had not applied for Irish nationality (based on his one Irish granny).

    We're not sure about Robinson, we don't know exactly when Robinson became an Irish national or did his application to switch just fall outside FIFA radar of scrutiny as the English FA were not objecting? Or when his application landed on the FIFA desk, did it come with a huge red stamp on the cover page "Already Approved" - signed JD.

    Crowley probably occupies the same questionable area as Johansson, but FIFA have not answered either way on his application yet so there's still an element of hope, albeit a dimming element.

    The moral is, don't ever leave the Irish set up.
    Robinson definitely fits into the criteria where Johansson and Crowley do. He played in competitive football for England before having an Irish passport because he certainly didn't have one back then. I'd imagine there's a good few players who fall in that category who made the switch. FA typically don't care because these players aren't good enough to be a blip on the English radar.

    This decision is bigger than Crowley and Johansson though. It affect all future players who have an Irish grandparent. Johansson is an idiot for playing in that throw away Luxembourg U21 qualifier though. Was absolutely not worth his effort or risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Was that Crowley who crossed for Brum's winner last night? Deft touch, whoever's it was.

    Edit: Sorry, just saw Crafty's post on the previous page.
    I think it was more than the deft touch, he saw the assist in the happening and wriggled himself into the position where he could deliver the cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut View Post
    Robinson definitely fits into the criteria where Johansson and Crowley do. He played in competitive football for England before having an Irish passport because he certainly didn't have one back then. I'd imagine there's a good few players who fall in that category who made the switch. FA typically don't care because these players aren't good enough to be a blip on the English radar.

    This decision is bigger than Crowley and Johansson though. It affect all future players who have an Irish grandparent. Johansson is an idiot for playing in that throw away Luxembourg U21 qualifier though. Was absolutely not worth his effort or risk.
    "Idiot" is a bit harsh. Poor tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    "Idiot" is a bit harsh. Poor tone.
    Maybe it is but he's clearly never had any intention of playing for them, with Sweden being his 2nd choice. Playing in that game achieved nothing for him other than muddy the waters for his international future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut View Post
    Maybe it is but he's clearly never had any intention of playing for them, with Sweden being his 2nd choice. Playing in that game achieved nothing for him other than muddy the waters for his international future.
    I think he played under 17 competitively for Luxembourg a few years earlier so playing 21 s for them didn't make any difference he still had his 1 switch available as he would have understood it having the right to Irish citensenship as a formality when he applied for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Great cross, defence really left Randolph down
    Randolph makes an unbelievable save at the start of this video, but should really have saved the first goal. Great cross by Crowley alright.


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    Has scored against Blackburn in the FA Cup. Don’t think he scores too many

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    What’s the latest with this guy?
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