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    AOC is as left as Bernie...will energise a certain proportion of the left wing of the Democrat party, but will not win a presidential election...not with her current positions anyway. Will not even be allowed take part in one I would guess.
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    Don't you have to be 35 to run anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    AOC is as left as Bernie...will energise a certain proportion of the left wing of the Democrat party, but will not win a presidential election...not with her current positions anyway. Will not even be allowed take part in one I would guess.
    Sanders wasn't a million miles away from winning the nomination this time around - I could see AOC making a bid in 8/12 years time. Americans are anti-socialism - but i didn't see too many of them handing back the $1,200 they got handed by the Federal government a few weeks back. I can see the discourse over there shifting over the next generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    AOC is as left as Bernie...will energise a certain proportion of the left wing of the Democrat party, but will not win a presidential election...not with her current positions anyway. Will not even be allowed take part in one I would guess.
    Pretty much this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid View Post
    Sanders wasn't a million miles away from winning the nomination this time around - I could see AOC making a bid in 8/12 years time. Americans are anti-socialism - but i didn't see too many of them handing back the $1,200 they got handed by the Federal government a few weeks back. I can see the discourse over there shifting over the next generation.
    I think that particular discourse will certainly grow over there but whether there will be a decisive shift in that direction amongst the general populace is much more uncertain; and unlikely in my view. Only time will tell I suppose.

    Rather, I think politics across many Western countries is going to increasingly revolve around things like identity, culture, nation, etc; ground upon which the Left will find it much harder to compete than the Right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Don't you have to be 35 to run anyway?
    You have to by 35 by inauguration day (Jan 20th)

    On 20/01/2025 she will be 35 years 2 months & 21 days old.

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    It's amazing the lower age limit is 35, but there is no upper age limit.

    The Tara Reid stuff seems to be rumbling on, I can't help but think the Democrats would have been better off picking an untarnished candidate.

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    Does one exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Does one exist?
    Michelle Obama would probably have a good chance of winning if she ran.
    Last edited by The Fly; 13/05/2020 at 1:45 AM.

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    I think most of the other Democrats vying for the nomineeship were much less tarnished than Biden. None of them had such sexual assault issues hanging over them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    Michelle Obama would probably have a good chance of winning if she ran.
    Pretty sure she said she had no interest in running after Trump won.
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    Watched that Netflix doc Becoming about her and her recent book tour the other night. Certainly a bit of a puff piece, if you told me she had Presidential aspirations I wouldn't be too surprised (though she seems to be heading in a more philanthropic direction). But wouldn't be as sure of her chances as The Fly. Think we underestimate how many Americans not only hate the Obama's, but think they are at the centre of a conspiracy to destroy the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backstothewall View Post
    Sen Richard Burr & Sen Kelly Loeffler are both likely to be investigated for insider trading. Both sold stock likely to be effected by the crisis after attending Senate briefings about Covid 19. Tucker Carlson calling for Burr to resign on Fox News. Seems likely that both are finished, so special elections in North Carolina and Georgia are probably going to be held in November.

    The GOP are in enormous trouble. This is going to be Hurricane Katrina on steroids.
    Update: Burr has had his phone seized by the Feds.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52097349

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    Is that not going to be extremely difficult to prove for any of those people? Of course I think it's too much of a coincidence, but I can't see it sticking. Another dismissed charge for republicans to crow about is more likely.
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    Biden officially the nominee now.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0...zlasMaEXNSr_LE

    Wonder which woman will be his running mate. Klobuchar and Harris most mentioned. Val Demmings of Florida maybe an outside bet?

    Covid-19 has obvously crushed the economy (although better-than-expected unemployment figures yesterday), but not sure how much that would affect Trump...it is a worldwide pandemic after all. And who knows what the economy will look like in a few months.

    Covid-19 impact on health will be a factor also, although that's much more a state-led response than a federal one, so not sure how much impact will have. His press conferences have been trainwrecks, but how much does that matter.

    The recent protests and then rioting/looting may even help him, if people's reaction is to look for a 'take no crap' approach from law enforcement, or may hurt him, if people take 'police brutality needs to stop' mentality (Demmings could be useful to Biden in this respect).

    Biden isn't doing much at the moment. Hardly an inspiring candidate, but I think the Democratic message will be all about 'Trump must go' and energise the base that way, rather than focusing on their own canditate.

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    Pre-coronavirus I would've said Trump's a shoo-in to win a second term. Now, with the addition of the recent protests and riots, it's much more up in the air. I couldn't call it at this stage...from my lofty vantage point across the Atlantic.

    I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson goes for it next time. IF YA SMELLLLLLL...
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    If Gemtrails O'Doherty tweeted this you'd say something.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid View Post


    If Gemtrails O'Doherty tweeted this you'd say something.....
    Clearly Trump has never met any actual AntiFa people, if he thought this gentleman was one

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    Pre-coronavirus I would've said Trump's a shoo-in to win a second term. Now, with the addition of the recent protests and riots, it's much more up in the air. I couldn't call it at this stage...from my lofty vantage point across the Atlantic.

    I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson goes for it next time. IF YA SMELLLLLLL...
    Update: I think Trump's gonna be re-elected.

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    What's changed your mind?

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