American Politics

**mark12345** · 20/01/2025, 9:53 PM

Originally Posted by seanfhear

People like you and me knew, that Joe Biden would pardon all sorts of dodgy people, and a lot of dodgy people in his own family.

We know this, we see it coming ~ ~ But innocents, can't see it coming and can't understand why he is doing it !

We know why he is doing it ~ Because the Biden family is as dodgy as fook, and have been for decades ~ And the Democrat party is a dodgy party and has been for decades !

This is the reality of the Democrat Party and the Biden family !

Now the Republicans are probably much the same ~ And who knows, maybe worse sometimes ~ But some People think the Democrats are whiter than white, when that cannot be further from the truth !

I feel sorry for the innocents that have their eye opened at times like this !

Very well said.

**seanfhear** · 20/01/2025, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by mark12345

It is indeed quite a strange privilege. I think we can safely say that American politics is dripping in corruption and has been for a very long time. This pardon business was arguably designed to get people off the hook.

This seems to be one big hit of pardon, to clear the decks of crooks galore ! !

I would say probably 90% of American Politicians have huge un-explained money ( and lots of it ) and nobody bothers to ask ~ Where did all this money come from ~ ~ And I mean 10's of millions if not reaching 100's of millions ~ ~ And it's both Republicans and Democrats ~ It's just taken as a given that you will become fabulously wealthy as an American Politician with no explanations !

Obviously a whole lot of this is corruption but everyone ( media / everyone ) just turns a blind eye !

You couldn't actually accumulate this sort of wealth from politics, unless it is corruption.

**SkStu** · 20/01/2025, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

"the bullet" - weren't multiple shots fired and wasn't trump apparently hit by a ricochet or a fragment?

Weren�t you arguing/suggesting that he wasn�t shot at?

**Real ale Madrid** · 20/01/2025, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

Weren�t you arguing/suggesting that he wasn�t shot at?

Suggesting that I wouldn't be 100% certain. Although tbf it was likely that he was. More in the context of him surviving the next 4 years.

Anyway. Here is Elon Musk giving a Nazi salute on MLK day. It must be great to be able to act with impunity.

**mark12345** · 21/01/2025, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by John83

Why? To deflect from the Greenland bullshirt?

The Greenland "bull****" was mentioned tonight by Trump when he was signing the executive orders. There are Russian and Chinese vessels all around their coast (I'm paraphrasing). But we sort of knew it wasn't bull**** didn't we?

**tetsujin1979** · 21/01/2025, 8:46 AM

Here's some other stuff he said, and the reality of it
If he said it was daytime, I'd still check for sunlight
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ress-factcheck

**SkStu** · 21/01/2025, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

Suggesting that I wouldn't be 100% certain. Although tbf it was likely that he was. More in the context of him surviving the next 4 years. [/tweet]

Fair enough. There are some who think the thing was orchestrated and, to be honest, that type of thinking just is mindboggling. I understand the divisiveness that he causes but to think it was a fabricated hoax really is a stretch too far.

America is such a clusterf*ck.

**pineapple stu** · 21/01/2025, 5:40 PM

Originally Posted by mark12345

I cannot. I did not make that claim (it was about the media in America).

Yes you did.

You said you didn't quite believe in the BBC as a bastion of integrity. I asked you why, and you went into a load of nonsense about media likening Trump to Hitler.

Given that you now acknowledge this was about media in the US - the likes of Mark Levin probably - then you've given no basis at all for your views on the BBC, which is widely regarded as one of the best journalistic outlets there is.

Could I ask you again so to detail your reasons for dismissing the BBC as a news source (which, to be clear, is what you did)?

**SkStu** · 21/01/2025, 6:25 PM

BBC, for all its faults, is definitely one of the best (and most impartial) news sources there is. Anyone holding up Fox or CNN or, honestly, any American cable network as the true source is off their rocker. They're opinion outlets, not news outlets.

**mark12345** · 22/01/2025, 10:50 AM

[QUOTE=pineapple stu;2213314]Yes you did.

"about media likening Trump to Hitler......
Given that you now acknowledge this was about media in the US - the likes of Mark Levin probably - then you've given no basis at all for your views on the BBC"
/QUOTE]

Read what you yourself wrote

**pineapple stu** · 22/01/2025, 10:54 AM

OK.

Grand - now I've read it, can you explain why you cite Mark Levin (noted as an outrage merchant par excellence) but then say "But keep on tuning into the BBC that bastion of truth and honesty."

That's what I'm challenging you on. I asked you why you had that view on the BBC and you said "About 11 - 12 weeks ago the media was telling Americans that Trump is Hitler. [...] And the American people are supposed to take the media seriously?"

I then asked you how that related to the BBC - where the BBC had ever said that Trump was Hitler. You seem to acknowledge this hasn't happened - so your dismissal of the BBC is, for now, irrelevant. And my question on why you feel the need to quote Mark Levin and then say "But keep on tuning into the BBC that bastion of truth and honesty" remains.

Want to try answer it again?

**mark12345** · 22/01/2025, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Yes you did.

You said you didn't quite believe in the BBC as a bastion of integrity. I asked you why, and you went into a load of nonsense about media likening Trump to Hitler.

Given that you now acknowledge this was about media in the US - the likes of Mark Levin probably - then you've given no basis at all for your views on the BBC, which is widely regarded as one of the best journalistic outlets there is.

Could I ask you again so to detail your reasons for dismissing the BBC as a news source (which, to be clear, is what you did)?

To be clear the BBC are most definitely a news source, just not a reputable one anymore.

I would be happy to discuss the BBC at some point later. Remember I did ask if you thought the media tells all truth all of the time. You told me that was a bullshirt question. I see it as rather straight forward. But enough of me answering all of your questions, how about we discuss the topics at hand, like the media's deflection of the Biden pardons onto the other pardons? That would be the American media.

**pineapple stu** · 22/01/2025, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by mark12345

To be clear the BBC are most definitely a news source, just not a reputable one anymore.

And I asked you why you held that view, given it's at odds with pretty much the worldwide view of the BBC as one of, if not the, foremost journalistic outlet.

But you're unable to answer that.

You have a lot of views you can't back up.

**osarusan** · 22/01/2025, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

BBC, for all its faults, is definitely one of the best (and most impartial) news sources there is. Anyone holding up Fox or CNN or, honestly, any American cable network as the true source is off their rocker. They're opinion outlets, not news outlets.

In general they're good, though increasingly less so.

Their coverage of Israel/Palestine has been truly appalling though.

**pineapple stu** · 22/01/2025, 2:32 PM

The BBC or CNN/Fox?

**seanfhear** · 22/01/2025, 2:36 PM

I see Joe Biden pardoned a load of crooks ~ A lot of them in his own family !

And of course, Fauci / the January 6th Committee ~ Nothing to see here though ! ! !