Heysel Stadium Disaster

[anto1208]

Yeah right, the scousers just used to rob!!! Every club had, and still has, a hoolie element. Liverpool and Everton were reknowned for their use of blades (sure they even named a park after their favourite one ). It's just pure revisionism to suggest that Liverpool or Everton fans weren't trouble makers, and also clueless.

On the Banner, The Sun apology was never accepted, nor do I think that an apology from South Yorkshire Police would be accepted either.

go back and read my comment again it say s they were nt trouble makers like utd fans ,i didnt say that they didnt cause some trouble but in comparison to utd fans they were harmless


below is taken from this website you should read it !!!!!(note this line on the second paragraph : "Despite the prevailing terrace culture, Liverpool supporters had no particular reputation for violence, "

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/s.../t-249384.html



Although the major London firms of West Ham, Millwall and Chelsea attracted the most media attention, almost any club was capable of attracting hundreds if not thousands of willing combatants. Leeds United were particularly notorious, as were Newcastle United, Cardiff City, Swansea City, and the Sheffield and Manchester clubs. Violence between Cardiff and Swansea was so bad that for a while it seemed likely that the fixture would be deleted from the season's programme altogether, and the result decided by the Pools panel. In Cambridge, city councillors attempted to ban visiting supporters after Millwall wrecked the city centre. Luton Town went one step further and actually did ban opposing supporters, simultaneously introducing an identity card scheme for home fans after Millwall fans rioted through their town. Every level of the game was affected: there were widespread disturbances when Leyton Orient played Slough. These were not random events, either. There was a recognised pecking order running from 'Generals' at the top to 'Under 5's' or 'Youth Firms' of junior thugs at the bottom. 'Spotters' were employed to report on the movements of opposing supporters. Indeed, a journalist commenting on Arsenal's Gooners at the time wrote 'They looked like an army - and after the game went into action like one'. The banning of alcohol from grounds did little to stem the violence. Injecting oranges with vodka was one imaginative solution. Others simply drank outside the ground or took drugs. Most were happy enough to 'mix it' while completely sober.

Despite the prevailing terrace culture, Liverpool supporters had no particular reputation for violence, outside of an intense rivalry with Manchester United (during the 1985 FA Cup semi-final between the teams, supporters had hurled golf balls with eight inch nails driven through them at each other). However, news of what had happened in Rome spread quickly. It became clear that some sort of reprisal was considered to be in order. The perfect opportunity presented itself the following year, when Liverpool again reached the European Cup Final and again faced an Italian team - Juventus of Turin. Even the most placid terrace fan knew that there was going to be unfinished business to attend to at the Heysel Stadium.

[razor]

Good show, was pretty upset going to bed last night.
Don't think they delved deep enough though, the looked at circumstance and interviewed 2 Liverpool fans, 1 from Dublin and 1 neutral also from Ireland.
They didn't really look at the root cause of the charge, was there incitement?
was it drunken fans intent on trouble?
There was always the rumour that it wasn't Liverpool fans but its impossible to prove that either way. Its stupid also to think there aren't hoolies at Liverpool.
Not condoning any hooligan actions but the stadium was a death trap and the Belgians were clueless.
I don't expect the Italians to forget, how could you ?
The whole thing was very very sad.
Thankfully things have improved and hopefully we'll never see its like again.

[Roo69]

Noticed you didn't put up a post about today being the 16th anniversay of Hillsboro. Bet your a manc so you thought you' put up the post "O I NEVER KNEW THAT THIS AND THAT HAPPENED AT HEYSEL" yeah right.

Heres something for you take a trip down salford quays after a Manc game i and see how many Mancs over the years have kicked f**k out of opposing fans some lucky to be alive. Mate Heysel happened 20 years ago everyone knows what happened and how it happened 14 Liverpool fans served time for it and rightly so but don't start coming on here putting up psots like you did just so you can have a go at scousers cause 99% are all decent ordinary fans AND DON'T say your not having a go at the true fans coz you are you are trying to, a load of crap mate.

In fairness.............will you ever cop on ! not i'm not a Manc, Born and bread in Bray, but i do support them and it has nothing to do with what happened that night.

I never mentioned Hillsboro once because i was talking about Heysel, Hillsboro is a totally different thing were again innocent fans died when they should'nt have.

It's as simple as this. Juve fans would not have dies if Liverpool fans were not roiting and tried to tak the section they were in. FFS, they were still burning Juve flags and scarves after the match in the spot were 39 people had died ! If that's not scum what is ! and i'm not having ago at EVERY liverpool fan as you seem to think i am, a lot of my mates are Liverpool fans, i dont think there scum, but the people who did this are ! FACT ! it does'nt matter who they supported, weather it be Liverpool, Man U, Celtic, Ireland or fcuking Bray............it you kill people by your actions then you are scum !

Get off you high horse and look at the facts !

did you actually even bother to read my posts ? If you had, you will have noticed that i said EVERY single club have a hooligan element, they always have and always will.

[Junior]

go back and read my comment again it say s they were nt trouble makers like utd fans ,i didnt say that they didnt cause some trouble but in comparison to utd fans they were angels . plus in the 80's other teams fans travelled just to cuase trouble . im not a pool fan nothing would give me greater pleasure to bad mouth them but the scousers were nt that bad .

Do you have any experience of this period? can you quote any reasonable sources to suggest this is true?



No


Thought not.

Looks like your mob Everton only recently had their handbags out with Man U idiots
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

No reputation for football violence? well they had enough material to write a book about themselves. grow up!

Boys from the Mersey, The: The Story of Liverpool's Annie Road End Crew Football's First Clobbered-up Mob

[Dublin12]

It was amazing to see the Juve players celebrating after the game and did Platini ever apologise to the Juventus fans for celebrating,after the peno,where so many died ,truly shocking how they ever played that game

[Baker]

Very well made programme.

Some of the pictures of the riot was really shocking, Id never actually seen any of the coverage of what had happened there before.

Makes you understand why sections of the Juve support were still so hostile to the attempts of reconciliation made at Anfield a few weeks ago, although the efforts made by Liverpool was a step in the right direction.

The primary cause of what happened it has to be remembered was the rioting in the terrace. The other excuses such as the horrible state of the stadium, the unprepared and uncoordinated police etc meant that less lives were saved than may have been possible, but they would not have caused any deaths on their own had the fighting not started. Although it was naive and even reckless on behalf of the authorities not to expect trouble at that time.

[anto1208]

Do you have any experience of this period? can you quote any reasonable sources to suggest this is true?



No


Thought not.

go back up ive added a source and some cut and paste's

[KK77]

you say it was to offer peace does this not mean that they were trying to make it up to them .( if 2 people are fighting and they make up , it means that they offer peace and friend ship to each other )

and this is what the banner and the minutes silence were for ,liverpool to say sorry .

Minutes silence was for the Pope

Yes they were trying to say sorry whats wrong with that????
Both clubs have had numerous things between them since the actual summer of Heysel to try and bulid bridges have a look at the programme on the night of the game and you'll see that they even have photos just so you can see it for yourself.

[Junior]

go back up ive added a source and some cut and paste's

likewise.

Don't know the source of the article. Liverpool may not have been the worst of all the firms, but that doesn't mean they just walked around in fancy clothing. They have and Im sure still do have idiots intent on causing trouble. All clubs do.

[KK77]

In fairness.............will you ever cop on ! not i'm not a Manc, Born and bread in Bray, but i do support them and it has nothing to do with what happened that night.

I never mentioned Hillsboro once because i was talking about Heysel, Hillsboro is a totally different thing were again innocent fans died when they should'nt have.

It's as simple as this. Juve fans would not have dies if Liverpool fans were not roiting and tried to tak the section they were in. FFS, they were still burning Juve flags and scarves after the match in the spot were 39 people had died ! If that's not scum what is ! and i'm not having ago at EVERY liverpool fan as you seem to think i am, a lot of my mates are Liverpool fans, i dont think there scum, but the people who did this are ! FACT ! it does'nt matter who they supported, weather it be Liverpool, Man U, Celtic, Ireland or fcuking Bray............it you kill people by your actions then you are scum !

Get off you high horse and look at the facts !

did you actually even bother to read my posts ? If you had, you will have noticed that i said EVERY single club have a hooligan element, they always have and always will.

Sorry i am sure your mates are Liverpool fans from their armchairs no harm in that you can talk all you like your were having ago at Liverpool fans come on your fooling no one. Yes Hillsboro was different but you brought Heysel up on the day of the 16th anniversary of Hillsboro ok you saw the Heysel programme last night FAIR ENOUGH but what if it had been about Hillsboro would you have be so quick to post???? I DON'T THINK SO

[anto1208]

likewise.

Don't know the source of the article. Liverpool may not have been the worst of all the firms, but that doesn't mean they just walked around in fancy clothing. They have and Im sure still do have idiots intent on causing trouble. All clubs do.

of coarse i thought that since this was a forum for football fans that every one would know that all clubs have a few idiots so i did nt feel i had to mention this but as for liverpool at the time they were nt know as notorious hooligans LIKE utd fans were .thats my point

as it states here :"Despite the prevailing terrace culture, Liverpool supporters had no particular reputation for violence," .

[Junior]

of coarse i thought that since this was a forum for football fans that every one would know that all clubs have a few idiots so i did nt feel i had to mention this but as for liverpool at the time they were nt know as notorious hooligans LIKE utd fans were .thats my point

as it states here :"Despite the prevailing terrace culture, Liverpool supporters had no particular reputation for violence," .

Yeah I managed to read that in your original post Its just a sentence on a forum - means **** all. Where does it say in your wonderful source that UTD were the big bad notorious hooligans?

By the way I don't care for Utd or Liverpool - Just think you're being a little naive. Saw United and Liverpool myself at Anfield in 91. Running battles between them across Stanley Park. ****in idiots.

[Roo69]

Sorry i am sure your mates are Liverpool fans from their armchairs no harm in that you can talk all you like your were having ago at Liverpool fans come on your fooling no one. Yes Hillsboro was different but you brought Heysel up on the day of the 16th anniversary of Hillsboro ok you saw the Heysel programme last night FAIR ENOUGH but what if it had been about Hillsboro would you have be so quick to post???? I DON'T THINK SO

I brought the subject because of the very well made programme about it I watched last night, I'm actually surprised that no one had posted about it before me ! And the same would be if I had watched a programme about Hillsboro'.

From the way I am understanding your posts, you are taking offence to me posting about the Liverpool fans who killed the Juve fans in Heysel and that you think than I am having blaming ALL Liverpool fans for it.

Jesus Rafa, I thought you were more intelligent than that !

[KK77]

I brought the subject because of the very well made programme about it I watched last night, I'm actually surprised that no one had posted about it before me ! And the same would be if I had watched a programme about Hillsboro'.

From the way I am understanding your posts, you are taking offence to me posting about the Liverpool fans who killed the Juve fans in Heysel and that you think than I am having blaming ALL Liverpool fans for it.

Jesus Rafa, I thought you were more intelligent than that !

Its nothing got to do with intelligence.

It just annoys me when people like you are so quick to post about things like Heysel we all know the 14 fans who were convicted were scum as i said but LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB, PLAYERS AND 99% OF THEIR FANS DIDN'T (THE REAL FANS) kill anyone. The club have done several things since the summer of 85 up until last week to TRY and bulid bridges what have the police etc done about Hillsboro were there any apologies can you tell me????????

[Roo69]

Its nothing got to do with intelligence.

It just annoys me when people like you are so quick to post about things like Heysel we all know the 14 fans who were convicted were scum as i said but LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB, PLAYERS AND 99% OF THEIR FANS DIDN'T (THE REAL FANS) kill anyone. The club have done several things since the summer of 85 up until last week to TRY and bulid bridges what have the police etc done about Hillsboro were there any apologies can you tell me????????

Rafa, They were Liverpool fans who killed juve fans and there was a hell of a lot more than just 14 of them involved - they took the rap (and rightly so) for thousands of liverpool fans who went on the rampage, stop trying to kid yourself man. At THAT match i would reckon more than 1% of Liverpool fans were invloved in it, and as you say that does not mean all 'pool fans are like that - of course there not, there decent people like most football fans.

You keep refering to Hillsboro' - Start a new bloody thread, this is about HEYSEL - i.e the Title: Heysel Stadium Disaster

[KK77]

Rafa, They were Liverpool fans who killed juve fans and there was a hell of a lot more than just 14 of them involved - they took the rap (and rightly so) for thousands of liverpool fans who went on the rampage, stop trying to kid yourself man. At THAT match i would reckon more than 1% of Liverpool fans were invloved in it, and as you say that does not mean all 'pool fans are like that - of course there not, there decent people like most football fans.

You keep refering to Hillsboro' - Start a new bloody thread, this is about HEYSEL - i.e the Title: Heysel Stadium Disaster

Are you really completely THICK i thought you would have copped on by now i mentioned Hillsboro several times because 10 mins ago 16 years ago 96 Liverpool fans lost their lives because of who???? I know do you???? Liverpool football club apologised and have been buliding bridges with Juve since then FACT what more can they do????? Yes there were more than 14 i know that. No one from Liverpool has hidden behind Heysel but people have behind Hillsboro. Heysel gets remembered every year on May 29th today is April 16th you should show some respect for the 96 who died 16 years ago today afterall its their day to be remembered just like HEYSEL was over the two legs and every year. You said you were surprised no one had posted about HEYSEL after last nights programme well all i'll say is APRIL 16TH they probably thought it was the 96 fans who died deserves to be remembered and respected.

RIP 96

[Metrostars]

blah blah blah... Heysel gets remembered every year on May 29th today is April 16th you should show some respect for the 96 who died 16 years ago today afterall its their day to be remembered just like HEYSEL was over the two legs and every year. You said you were surprised no one had posted about HEYSEL after last nights programme well all i'll say is APRIL 16TH they probably thought it was the 96 fans who died deserves to be remembered and respected.

RIP 96

Jeez, if today is April 16th, I'm f-ked becuase I was supposed to send in my US Tax Return on April 15th the latest and I sent it earlier this morning.

Last time I checked it was April 15th.

If talking about the April 16 1989 tragedy is so important to you, first get the spelling right. It's Hillsborough, not Hillsboro. Second, open a new thread because the Heysel riots have NOTHING to do with Hillsborough.

[jockser]

Heysel 39
RIP

[Roo69]

Are you really completely THICK i thought you would have copped on by now i mentioned Hillsboro several times because 10 mins ago 16 years ago 96 Liverpool fans lost their lives because of who???? I know do you???? Liverpool football club apologised and have been buliding bridges with Juve since then FACT what more can they do????? Yes there were more than 14 i know that. No one from Liverpool has hidden behind Heysel but people have behind Hillsboro. Heysel gets remembered every year on May 29th today is April 16th you should show some respect for the 96 who died 16 years ago today afterall its their day to be remembered just like HEYSEL was over the two legs and every year. You said you were surprised no one had posted about HEYSEL after last nights programme well all i'll say is APRIL 16TH they probably thought it was the 96 fans who died deserves to be remembered and respected.

RIP 96

How embarrassing for you !!!!!!!!! Get your facts right before you get up on your little high horse - also start a new thread, as i have said this is about The Heysel Stadium Disaster. It has nothing what so ever to do with this thread the way you seem to think it does.

And one more thing...........when did i once in all my posts disrespect the liverpool fans that so sadly died in Sheffield in 1989 ?

[KK77]

How embarrassing for you !!!!!!!!! Get your facts right before you get up on your little high horse - also start a new thread, as i have said this is about The Heysel Stadium Disaster. It has nothing what so ever to do with this thread the way you seem to think it does.

And one more thing...........when did i once in all my posts disrespect the liverpool fans that so sadly died in Sheffield in 1989 ?

Ok i hit the 6 instead of the 15th fair enough can't all be perfect look good luck to you we all have our opinions i just think on the anniversary of HillsbOROUGH you could have held off on your Heysel thread thats how i think your being disrespectful to the 96 who died.