Stephen Kenny

**pineapple stu** · 08/07/2021, 2:28 PM

Originally Posted by seanfhear

I suppose some of it is that the other leagues are going ahead and keeping a head of us. I would say the LOI has improved but the other leagues have also improved. I doubt many leagues are standing still or going backwards.

I think there's less money than before, and more teams to field with that money, so it'd be hard for the league to be better than it was ten years ago (and I don't think it is)

But regardless, even if it's a case that we're standing still while everyone else is advancing past us, I think the point still holds.

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I am aware experience needs to be gained but the ability is either there or not.

You could say the same thing about a player though.

You're right of course that "we can all see the same things(mostly) but only a few of us can act them out too". But I think that undersells the role of manager. Some managers are better than others, in the same way that some players are better than others. Motivation, tactical awareness, spotting a player, etc - all these are tangible factors.

A manager from a poor league (such as the LoI) could do well of course. But he had a go in Scotland (as did Fenlon) and didn't last too long. So I think it's reasonable to compare him to someone like Hoban, who also had a stint abroad but didn't fare well. Compare that to someone like, say, Séamus Coleman, who came from a poor league and did do well as a player and you can see the potential difference I'm trying to flag.

**pineapple stu** · 08/07/2021, 2:39 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

he even took Dunfermline to Europe

I think it's also worth flagging that he got them relegated too, which included a run of 5 points and 4 goals in 15 games, and then he won 3 of 14 First Division matches the following season before being sacked. OK, Dunfermline tend to struggle in the SPL anyway, but it's still a poor record.

I agree that he should have been brought into the national setup. And while I don't agree with the "pub league" comment, I do think we need to have some perspective of the LoI's level. Which is poor, albeit not remotely pub-league-y.

**SkStu** · 08/07/2021, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I think it's also worth flagging that he got them relegated too, which included a run of 5 points and 4 goals in 15 games, and then he won 3 of 14 First Division matches the following season before being sacked. OK, Dunfermline tend to struggle in the SPL anyway, but it's still a poor record.

I agree that he should have been brought into the national setup. And while I don't agree with the "pub league" comment, I do think we need to have some perspective of the LoI's level. Which is poor, albeit not remotely pub-league-y.

Yes - i thought the "relegated with Dunfermline" point has been commented on already quite a bit so i just wanted to point out that it wasn't all bad with them!

**pineapple stu** · 08/07/2021, 2:50 PM

That's fair enough; I was just trying to add the balance, not remove it alright.

**Trequartista20** · 17/07/2021, 4:55 PM

Kenny's contract runs until 31 July, 2022.

'That timespan embraces the remaining seven games this year, including six World Cup qualifiers, three of which take place in the first week of September.'

'The March international window will either involve World Cup play-offs or two friendlies, before a hectic four-game Nations League programme in June.'

' It means over the course of his two-year contract, Kenny will have overseen 26 games.'

https://extra.ie/2021/07/17/sport/so...length-ireland

Will Kenny see out his term? And if he does, will Ireland still even be amongst the world's top 100 nations given their disgraceful and humiliating home defeat to 96-ranked Luxembourg recently, and with their only win a rather fortuitous one against the 158-rated amateurs of Andorra?

**pineapple stu** · 17/07/2021, 7:44 PM

Strange that his contract runs until July too, rather than the end of the qualifiers, which I would have thought made more sense for any manager.

**jbyrne** · 23/07/2021, 9:54 AM

SK on Claire Byrne this morning. came across very well and his enthusiasm for the job and the team is very apparent.
Much more fluent with his answers than he usually is on TV. really hope it works out for him, and us.

**paul_oshea** · 23/07/2021, 11:29 AM

Yes listened to a bit and felt the same, but still going on about Slovakia

- the performance I mean.

I did feel though he was buying himself sometime, which he probably should have done at the start and didnt do.

**sbgawa** · 26/07/2021, 3:16 PM

Boys in Green will peak for Euro 2024 - Kenny (rte.ie)

This made me Laugh, Article on RTE website.
With his entire 23 year career in Management to choose from Multiple cup and league wins / European runs etc they refer to him as the "EX Shamrock Rovers Manager" where he spent all of 8 months before getting the Hooooooooook as Brian Kerr would say.

**Colbert Report** · 26/07/2021, 6:44 PM

He accepts that questions are inevitable if results are not forthcoming but insists he won't change his approach.

"It’s part of the territory with international management. No matter what country you’re in you’ll always have that," said the 49-year-old former Dundalk boss.

Won't change his approach? We lost to Luxembourg! ffs

**Diggs246** · 27/07/2021, 11:28 AM

I didn't realize we had three games in 7 days
Portugal Sep 1st
Azerbaijan Sep 4th
Serbia Sep 7th

I'm going for 1 point out of 9 ?

**John83** · 27/07/2021, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Diggs246

I didn't realize we had three games in 7 days
Portugal Sep 1st
Azerbaijan Sep 4th
Serbia Sep 7th

I'm going for 1 point out of 9 ?

We should still have too much for Azerbaijan - they're more or less on Luxembourg's level - so I think Kenny has to win that one or make a mild upset by beating Serbia to keep his job. Or I would, if he didn't seem to be above shame and protected by the FAI's post-Delaney finances.

**Diggs246** · 27/07/2021, 11:54 AM

Unfortunately we don't seem to have too much for anybody at the moment

**Bielsa´s irish** · 02/09/2021, 9:37 AM

i watched his interview after the game,,,,he has a rage and a huge anger against the referee of the match, that is very very interesting, they stole you your wallet yesterday

**osarusan** · 04/09/2021, 6:17 PM

Kenny should resign or be sacked, tonight.

He is utterly out of his depth, and has no idea whatsoever about breaking down even the poorest of teams.

We can go on and on about how poor this set of players is, and I'd agree, but Kenny has no clue about how to maximise the resources at his disposal.

We earned 1 point out of 6 against teams ranked 96 and 112. Enough rubbish about how we are building something, or going in the right direction. We are going absolutely nowhere under him, nowhere.

500 grand is absolutely enough to attract somebody better than him.

**Bielsa´s irish** · 04/09/2021, 6:18 PM

Wait after Serbia

**pineapple stu** · 04/09/2021, 6:23 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

We earned 1 point out of 6 against teams ranked 96 and 112. .

At home. We still have the away ties to come

**TrapAPony** · 04/09/2021, 6:49 PM

1 win in 15 matches is not acceptable. He should obviously have been sacked after the Luxembourg match but there is no way he can still continue as Irish manager after failing to beat Azerbaijan at home. Now we will be lucky not to finish bottom of the group. We are going nowhere under Kenny. He is a LOI manager and that is all his level is.

**zero** · 04/09/2021, 6:57 PM

what did he have to say for himself after the game, out of interest? or did he send someone else out on his behalf?

edit: the only post match comments from someone involved in the squad that i've been able to find are from adam idah. seems a bit strange. i thought there was some contractual obligation to speak to the press shortly after the game.