Can you imagine if we somehow get a play off and they leave him insitu
Don't think they would. While his contract is up until the end of the 2024 Euros you often see managers moved on once the qualifiers are over. If the FAI were smart enough to have a get out clause post Nations League they surely are smart enough to have another get out clause for the qualifiers. Not like Kenny had much bargaining power post WC qualifiers or other options to walk away from a contract full of performance clauses.Originally Posted by Diggs246
Dunno whether its any relevance, but Baraclough did a decent job woth NI's U-21's, but ultimately wasn't up to the Senior job.
They're different jobs and while it's possible for someone to have the skill sets required for both, it's not automatic.
Even if we get just six points from the group? (Or less!)
Mick didn't get to contest his playoff.
We could lose every game and still get a play off?
Dunno the answer, but if was available, then hed be an excellebt choice (imo).
After he was caretaker manager at Brentford, they were very keen indeed to give him the job permanently, and their record in appointing managers is excellent. However, since he had a disabled child, he needed to be near his family home in the Midlands (Birmingham?) and so couldn't commit. Instead he took a job with the English FA, since he could work out of St.George's Park.
His son is now an adult, so I believe LC may be open to offers from other locations now? Though tbf, he could do the ROI job from England without needing to relocate to Ireland.
Do home wins vs Holland and Greece save him? Or have we reached a point where we are so deluded as a footballing nation that anything less than qualifying from a group of France, Holland and Greece is seen as disaster.
In this group so far we have lost to a team who were WC finalists 3 months previous but we played pretty well, we had a poor performance away in Greece at a time of year that we are historically sh1te, but Greece also have a good home record.
Like it or not we are still rebuilding a squad with lads mainly 22 and under. The likes of Hendrick and Hourihane all being phased out like we all wanted. Yet we are demanding results, I'm not sure any of our best teams in our history would have guaranteed wins in these opening 2 fixtures.
I've been Kenny out for a while. My biggest complaint was always his decision making and in game management. In these 2 games I've agreed with the lineups and even the subs so I think he's improved. I want to see how rest of group plays out... barring disaster vs Gibraltar today
Possibly, that situation could set up a do or die game in Holland for potential qualification. Assuming obviously you're on 12 points then going into that final game. It's why I think September the earliest is when they'd get rid of him to just see what happens in that home game with Holland. We'll likely lose it or scrape a draw at best but they'll wait and see either way.
Interesting comparison. Note also that the EFL Lge Two has 24 teams, all f-t, compared with 10 LOI PD teams, not all f-t (plus 10 largely p-t, eve amateur FD clubs).
While the 24 team National League (5th tier) is nearly all f-t, with quite a few teams in the 6th tier also f-t. With such enormous depth, those English clubs have to be a different level, one or two teams like Shamrock Rovers or Dundalk nowithstanding.
But we aren't looking at "in this group so far". We're looking at the past 3 years and defeats to Luxembourg, Armenia, Finland, Ukraine, Norway. Draws against Bulgaria, Qatar, Azerbaijan.
Kenny is done, we've gone from one goal away from qualification in Micks last campaign, to out after 2 games in each of Kenny's qualifying tournaments. We're currently looking at Gibraltar as a potential banana skin things have gotten so bad. He needs to go, and go now. Badly out of his depth, as he was from the beginning when anyone calling out the emperors new clothes, was told that Kenny needed time. He's had time and he's dragged us down the rankings and the pots.
From what I saw, Matt gave the Greek player a nudge, shoulder to shoulder and he hit the ground in agony clutching his face. The greek players erupted, the pony tailed one in particular was red card agressive. In this case I’m with Matt.
https://youtu.be/j9G0MNgAP5Y?t=123
I think everyone is aware it was a very difficult draw - it's more the lack of progress and the consistent terrible results that have left many thinking his time is up. In addition we seem to have lost the ability to keep a clean sheet against anything other than the most modest opposition. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he could manage wins over Holland and Greece. The only good win he has had really was the Scotland home game when everything went for us on the day and they didn't really show up.
Having said that I fully expect him to remain in charge at least until September. The campaign is beyond salvaging (again!) so the remaining games are little more than friendlies as far as Ireland is concerned. His contract ends in November so getting rid now means paying out 5ish months versus just a couple if waiting til Sept. What possibly could change that is if Carsley leaves his post after the u21 tournament and is keen but not so keen that he'd wait around...
edit: obviously the other scenario, which one would normally consider the unthinkable i.e. failing to beat Gibraltar. That would surely make his position untenable, with him being paid off and a caretaker put in charge.
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Well it was Martin O'Neills play off really wasnt it?
No, it was Mick's play-off. He should've been allowed complete that campaign
Folding my way into the big money!!!
How was it his play off?
He took a million lids and ran you mean!
Well yeah - we qualified based on MON's placing in the Nations League I guess. Which even more backs up the view that Kenny isn't entitled to taking charge for the playoff by rights
Yes its the lack of progress that gets me, Friday night was on par with Luxemburg at home, possibly worse as for most of the Friday we just played hoof ball, or else went sideways and backwards. Had a quick look at the starting 11 against Luxemburg and only 2 outfield starters from that game started Friday, Doherty and Cullen. Not sure what that says, other than Kenny has managed to get absolutley dreadful performances out of pretty much two different teams. I think his best performance was Slovakia away in the play off.
While I don't disagree that the LOI is in many ways an embarrassment, it's literally not a pub league, and we both know that posting in that manner will wind people up. You're welcome to discuss the professionalism of the league all you want, but not like that. Don't do it again please.
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