QuoteAnd If you go back to the beginning of his time in charge we were ranked 20th in Europe with 1486 points. A drop of 70 points in three years has seen us fall to 28th.
In the rankings that really matter we dropped 4
places in the UEFA rankings. We're 28th and for the new WC qualifier format you need to be 24th to avoid being a third seed. Rankings for the Euro qualifiers are done off the Nations League table.
We're currently 11.6 points ahead of Slovenia in 29th and Romania who are 24th are 31.7 points ahead of us.
At the start of this campaign we were 24th and have dropped 22.27 points. Though strangely enough we nearly dropped the same number of points from Septembers window as we did for Junes window. Didn't think a lose to France and Holland would result in nearly the same number of points lost as a loss and win against Greece and Gibraltar
And If you go back to the beginning of his time in charge we were ranked 20th in Europe with 1486 points. A drop of 70 points in three years has seen us fall to 28th.
Eustace sacked by Birmingham with Rooney rumoured to be his replacement. John O'Shea possible assistant to Rooney. Eustace available as a replacement for Kenny.
Eustace will walk into another Championship easily. Ireland job would probably be a step back for him at this point in his career. Wouldn't be surprised to see QPR make a move for Eustace given his links with them to replace Gareth Ainsworth.
The yanks that own Birmingham are idiots, first by sacking Eustace - they are in the play-off spots. Even worse would be replacing him with Rooney - the guy is as big a spoofer as Gerrard and Lampard - the only reason why Derby made half an attempt to get out of their mess under Rooney was because Liam Rosenior was actually doing the job.Originally Posted by ifk101
@JR89 - I agree that Eustace is likely to replace Ainsworth at QPR - which will now likely happen sooner rather than later given his availability
Eustace is 7/4 to be the other Rangers' manager.
Next Rangers manager as new favourite emerges after EFL sacking (glasgowworld.com)
my feelings on P*ndit Are*a are well known, but this is a new laughable low, even for them
https://punditarena.com/football/ron...reland-tenure/
Here are my two favs:
"If you want a good moan about the team I think that’s a perfectly fine point to make, but if you’re saying it to criticise the management team, I don’t even think it should be entertained"
"Throwing out Kenny’s record as an argument against him is therefore, in my view, a pretty worthless exercise. The raw numbers don’t carry the nuances, the set-backs, injuries, covid-cases, expected goals, refereeing decisions"
The Kennyites have been proven decisively wrong. After all of their high-handed disparagement and sneering of those of us who weren't true believers, will they now accept their share of the responsibility for the unmitigated disaster that has now presented itself?
Well, I doubt it. But where to now? We've reached an all-time low in terms of the status of the national team. Mismanagement at association level is the real issue, with the Kenny situation Delaney's final insult to the Irish fanbase.
A higher level, proven manager seems to be the way forward. But realistic candidates that fit the bill are hard to come by.
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I feel bad for the guy. He seems like such a nice person. John Delaney is the guy to blame for this. I think if the job was offered, all of us would love to give it a go. Sadly, Stephen Kenny was just not the right person for the gig, and didn't appear to be better suited for the role than most of us on here. I hope that we will learn from this mistake and make better appointments going forward.
Steve Staunton was one of our best players ever, and is sadly remembered for his disastrous managerial run. He should never have been put in the position to take charge, and the same goes for Stephen Kenny. Let's look for managers with a higher level of experience in the future.
Wrote a great reply. Lost it. Here's the summary.
Stan was never a legit choice. It was madness and bad madness.
Kenny made some sense.i had though, watched his Scottish efforts first hand and it was rank.
He was half way to having a team but he never fully committed.. too many compromises.. but even tonight.. surrender the wings to the Greeks, took ages to make changes.. not subbing browne off at half time.. no one pressing behind ferguson,....bah
We need some mad fker now. Someone to really commit. Stare the other lads down and dare them to mess with us. Foster a true winning attitude.. dispense with the lads withered by age and attrition. Time to really clean house. Let's have some clinical decision making and if we lose so be it. In short, move on anyone over 30, start again, go for the jugular.. be hard to beat.. I don't care if its pretty.. I want some pride.
Second time losing to Greece at home in my life. I don't want a third.
Kenny will be gone and no problem with that decision. He talked up what he and team could do but unfortunately fallen well short. Feel bad for the guy because it’s quite clear he and his coaching staff gave it everything but didn’t work out.
But Irish footballs problems are so deep it’s depressing. We are so underfunded and falling more and more behind it’s frightening. If anyone thinks some new manager will come in and solve the huge problems in irish football they are deluded.
Unless FAI get backing of money from government (think 900 million is the figure they mentioned) irish football will continue to decline. And let’s be honest all irish politicians will jump on board euro 2028 and say it’s great but ultimately will do nothing for elite game and grassroots game. All I see from euro 2028 is a GAA stadium, and small amount of money which will service debt.
Coached at decent LSL level and a player from Holland joined, he could not believe how bad facilities were for that level and we were explaining that it’s probably better then what a lot of semi pro and pro teams have in Ireland.
Kind of reminds of when people say we have the politicians we deserve. We have the football organisation we deserve. They only cared about senior men’s team for decades, most Irish football fans don’t care about Irish football at grassroots level and that’s what we have!!! A senior team with very little quality and as a result we just hope that a manager will get the absolute most from players rather than produce players and then make managers job easier.
Look at the rugby, they have around 12 private schools providing most of their pro players. Mad, when you train Young players 5/6 times a week in good facilities you produce good players. And it’s a lot easier to produce a rugby player then a footballer.
Not a defense of Kenny but **** me we are deep ****.
When Barry Maguire joined Limerick he couldn't get his head around the fact that 9/10 year olds in Holland trained four nights a week but 16/17 year olds here would do two nights a week.
FAI need to move away from this pipe dream they have of the LOI clubs having proper academies with full time coaches as the route for developing players and go about setting up a full time national academy. Where the best of the best can get full time professional training. Can still work on improving academies at LOI level for those that don't make the national academy but we need a national academy.
Look at the improvements Israel have made at underage level since they started working with UEFA and got funding. They've a full time academy now where the best players eat, sleep, study, and train together. Georgia also worked with UEFA and think they've four or five similar academies around the country like NI have who also worked with UEFA to develop theirs.
Who are the Kennyites?
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A national academy would be the way to go.. but we are still stuck in the situation where the best football players in the country are playing GAA alongside football up to u16 level minimum.
The LOI academies are helping, and they will bear fruit eventually..
But the "we don't have the players" line is wearing thin too..
Every player last night that played, was in a Premier League team or Championship team, along with Scales who's playing CL with Celtic
And ok, the PL players aren't playing with City or Arsenal.. but every team in the PL is a decent team
Most teams in the Championship, are decent teams.
All of those players are living, eating, sleeping football.. 7 days a week. They're all being trained by UEFA A license coaches. They're getting the best nutrition, the best S&C coaching.. the best of everything
And still looked lost for the past 18 months. Don't blame the "inadequacies" of the local football scene, for PL and C players playing poorly.
The 14 y in Holland playing 4/5 times a week.. is still not much better than Nathan Collins for example. But Collins looks lost playing for Ireland for the past 12 months
We rave about the man of the match performances of Ogbene. Honestly, nice as the guy is.. hard working, honest player.. but he can run fast and direct.. that's it. His first touch is terrible, you rarely see him dribble past a player, and his crossing is nothing to write home about
That's our problem at the moment.. we're getting not enough out of what we have.. while blaming what we won't have in the future
Watching that game last might, the one person who grew in my esteem was Kevin Keegan.
A bit of self awareness and dignity.
The author of the Pundit Arena article linked above is a prime example. Utterly delusional stuff.
'Where are the Kennyites?' is probably a better question. Presumably walking slowly backwards into a hedge.
Stephen is undoubtedly a nice man, but in a different era, he would have been gone long ago. He needs to show dignity and accept the job isn’t for him to sort out.
The “we don’t have the players” line is a cop out. Our players may not be Ronnie Whelan or Paul McGrath level, but there is enough quality to be a half decent competitive team. Noteworthy that the only time under Kenny we looked somewhat organised, he had a top level coach in Anthony Barry. He is a very poor manager technically and his back room team clearly don’t have much to contribute. To be fair to Kenny, I actually think he would listen to others around him.
A lot saying the future is bleak. I actually disagree. It looked bleak after 2012. Clearly we have an exceptional talent in Ferguson and a core of very exciting players coming through. An even better Belgian group in the late noughties and early 2010s took a few years to come through, but we need to ensure we have a proper manager with a good quality back room staff to help them come through tough times and ultimately become a decent team which they can become. Plenty of talent on the continent and Carsley is clearly a very impressive manager. All is not lost.
Yeah for all the grandious talk of changing irish football the only strategy was to have ogbene stay wide and use his athleticism to win free kicks that we aimed constantly with no variation towards Duffy. How was that different to previous irish sides. Only difference I can think is players like mcclean and kilbane who were similar to ogbene had far better delivery
There is a lot of nonsense about the players not being good enough - these are professional footballers playing at a high level in one of the most competitive leagues globally. Irish teams in the past with a similar or poorer 'quality' of player did not capitulate like Kenny's teams have done in the past 4 years. Irish teams for decades have always been greater than the sum of their parts (with the possible exception of Staunton's tenure) - now Kenny is succeeding in having them playing considerably less than the sum of their parts.
In 1974 the standard of English football wasn't anywhere close to its position in Europe now and few if any foreign players played in England - Ireland beat Russia 3-0 in 1974 and the team was significantly better than the sum of their parts because the guy managing the team, Johnny Giles, knew what he was doing - in the Irish team that day (and quite a few were not first choice at their clubs) were -
Paddy Roche (reserve goalie for Man Utd who were playing in the old second division - first choice goalie Mick Kearns, who played in the third division with Walsall was injured)
Jimmy Holmes (Coventry - bottom half of first division)
Joe Kinnear (Spurs - barely survived relegation from first division)
Terry Mancini (Arsenal - finished 16th in the first division - Mancini was 33 at the time and a bit part player - and was dumped by Arsenal at the end of the following season joining Aldershot)
Paddy Mulligan (Crystal Palace - third division)
Liam Brady (Arsenal - see above - and Brady was still an 18 year-old kid and played something like 15 games for Arsenal before the Russia game. Brady made his international debut in this game)
Johnny Giles (Leeds - finished 9th in the first division)
Steve Heighway (Liverpool - runners up)
Mick Martin (Man Utd - second division - and a bit part player)
Don Givens (QPR - mid-table first division)
Ray Treacy (Oldham - barely escaped relegation from second division)
Others in the Irish squad were -
Eoin Hand (Portsmouth - just above Oldham in second division)
John Dempsey (Chelsea - relegated from first division)
Tony Dunne (Bolton - mid-table second division)
Jimmy Conway (Fulham - mid-table second division)
Gerry Daly (played 16 games for Man U)
Miah Dennehy (Forest - just above Portsmouth)
Terry Conroy (Stoke - mostly used as a sub - first division)
Peter Thomas (Waterford)
If you have someone competent managing the team - particularly an international team - they will always get the team to punch above their weight. Last night was a disaster and remember Greece are not footballing giants - they are ranked four places above Ireland. Kenny has succeeded is seeing Ireland drop from 34th to 55th in his time in charge. We are now behind soccer powerhouses like Iran (21st) Australia (27th) Algeria (34th) Canada (44th) Panama (45th) Costa Rica (46th) Mali (49th) Finland (54th) and we are just ahead - literally - of Jamacia, Saudi Arabia and Burkino Faso.
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