please, help me about national anthem

**Cowboy** · 13/04/2005, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by tonycuna

no problem with the correction, I always need it

I hope you'll can accept me as an irish, despite I wasn't born in Ireland

Neither was I

**lopez** · 13/04/2005, 9:26 AM

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Neither was I

...and neither were Eamon De Valera, Erskine Childers Jr. (Presidents of Ireland), Robert Erskine Childers, James Connolly (Participants in the war of independence), Sean MacStiofain (former IRA chief of Staff), Jim Larkin (Trade unionist), Liam McCarthy (Hurling cup named after), Johnny Logan (Singer (??)), and of course a couple of Irish footballers at least.

**tonycuna** · 13/04/2005, 9:33 AM

Originally Posted by sylvo

I know where your coming from there I have too say, I sometimes get ''how come your not at Wembley'' from some of the uneducated who have not learned about the word Emigration, so you may get ''how come your not at the Stadio Del Alpi'' or ''the San Siro'', even though Italy will be playing us.

I know,
but if I decided to see Ireland the day we play against Italy, it's just cause the last week I've seen on ticketmaster.ie the chance to buy terraces tickets.
It could be against Italy or against China.

I've been in San Siro (not bad), I've been in Delle Alpi (bad), in my life.
I've been also in front of Wembley two months before the demolition started and my heart pumped up and I was so excited, maybe also emotioned.

But I've always had this dream: be in Lansdowne and support Ireland. And probably, support Ireland against italian team (that I really hate) will make that the best day in my life

**blobbyblob** · 13/04/2005, 9:39 AM

Originally Posted by lopez

Johnny Logan .

Heah, steady on - Johnny's from Kilkenny

**blobbyblob** · 13/04/2005, 9:42 AM

Originally Posted by tonycuna

But I've always had this dream: be in Lansdowne and support Ireland. And probably, support Ireland against italian team (that I really hate) will make that the best day in my life

I hereby change your name from Tony Cuna to Tony Cooney from Connemara

Welcome on board. Ole Ole

**lopez** · 13/04/2005, 9:48 AM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

Heah, steady on - Johnny's from Kilkenny

Born Se�n Patrick Michael Sherrard in Melbourne, Australia, although he obviously grew up in Ireland with his voice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Logan_%28singer%29

**tonycuna** · 13/04/2005, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

I hereby change your name from Tony Cuna to Tony Cooney from Connemara

Welcome on board. Ole Ole

Thanks!

Tony Cooney is very nice!! I like it!!

**the 12 th man** · 13/04/2005, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

Heah, steady on - Johnny's from Kilkenny

cool it there guys.
the last thing we want is a flame war about johnny logan

**Junior** · 13/04/2005, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

I hereby change your name from Tony Cuna to Tony Cooney from Connemara

Welcome on board. Ole Ole

Anto for short.

**strangeirish** · 13/04/2005, 2:24 PM

And look out for your tracksuit with the three stripes on it in the mail

**Green Tribe** · 13/04/2005, 3:44 PM

Tony Cooney is what we need, at least he is prepared to sing our anthem out loud, when some others are too embarassed!

Forza Cooney

**boysingreen** · 13/04/2005, 5:27 PM

Thomas Clarke (one of leaders of 1916, one of the 7 signataries on the Proclamation of Irish Independence) is another good example. Born in England. There's a great story, if I remember right when he was registering to vote or something. The official asked him where he was born, he struggled and said England. "So you're an Englishmen?" I don't recall how the wording went thereafter, suffice to say Clarke had to raise his voice. He lived in New York for a time, and also became an American citizen. But there was no two ways about it, as he corrected your man, he was an Irishman.

Love that story. Born and raised in New York myself, parents are from Leitrim. I've been over and back to Ireland since I was born, raised in New York but no doubt an Irish home. We know New York and the history of the Irish. Yet some people still have the balls to tell me I'm not Irish. You can take a lot of things away from a man, but you can never take that.

I was thinking the other day. Born in America, so the people that grudge my Irishness say I'm only American. What if I was born of Irish-born parents (as I was), not in America, but China? Would people be so forthright in saying you're not Irish, you're Chinese?

**tonycuna** · 13/04/2005, 5:32 PM

Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

Tony Cooney is what we need, at least he is prepared to sing our anthem out loud, when some others are too embarassed!

Forza Cooney

I'm not already prepared

But i'm doing exercise about that and for august I'll be ready to sing!

**Junior** · 13/04/2005, 5:45 PM

Originally Posted by boysingreen

I was thinking the other day. Born in America, so the people that grudge my Irishness say I'm only American. What if I was born of Irish-born parents (as I was), not in America, but China? Would people be so forthright in saying you're not Irish, you're Chinese?

I think the same people that do it now, would do it if you were born in China -why wouldn't they?

I would estimate that 99% of people who say you're not Irish, say so on the basis of your accent alone?

**lopez** · 13/04/2005, 6:21 PM

Originally Posted by Junior

I would estimate that 99% of people who say you're not Irish, say so on the basis of your accent alone?

Absolutely. Think Cowboy said exactly the same on another thread elsewhere before. My Conchita had eleqution lessons when she started secondary school over here and it rid her of her lovely Cork brogue.

Excuse from all around was because it might get her banged up for a bombing she didn't do (Eg: Patrick Maguire. International terrorist at 12...not

) but it's ironic now as it's one of the most sought after, cum-tastic accents around for a lady to possess.

Anyway, she went back to Cork about three years later and some b*tch wouldn't serve her in the local shop (Hunger Strike time) because she thought Conchita was a tan.

As she says: 'It's great to be told to f*ck off in both countries.'

**boysingreen** · 13/04/2005, 6:23 PM

Originally Posted by Junior

I think the same people that do it now, would do it if you were born in China -why wouldn't they?

I would estimate that 99% of people who say you're not Irish, say so on the basis of your accent alone?

Don't know how to rephrase the America / China proposition, but I think you get the gist.

And you're right about the accent. Apparently people can deduce down to the core of one's being from it. They know everything about you the moment you crack your lips.

**Cowboy** · 13/04/2005, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by boysingreen

Don't know how to rephrase the America / China proposition, but I think you get the gist.

And you're right about the accent. Apparently people can deduce down to the core of one's being from it. They know everything about you the moment you crack your lips.

OT : do you watch "Rescue me" on Tv with Denis Leary? crackin show full of irishmen

**Junior** · 14/04/2005, 11:18 AM

A follow up to this point is that of 2nd generation Africans or Asians. If they were to get into a discussion with Joe Bloggs in a street in Manchester or Dublin of how they were Jamaican or Indian I don't think it would be questioned, despite the fact that they may have been born in bleedin Norwich (is this a skin colour thing?)

However, perhaps they would get the same sort of tripe we 2nd g Irish get from 1st generation Jamaican or Indians - I'm not sure if they do?

**lopez** · 14/04/2005, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Junior

A follow up to this point is that of 2nd generation Africans or Asians. If they were to get into a discussion with Joe Bloggs in a street in Manchester or Dublin of how they were Jamaican or Indian I don't think it would be questioned, despite the fact that they may have been born in bleedin Norwich (is this a skin colour thing?)

However, perhaps they would get the same sort of tripe we 2nd g Irish get from 1st generation Jamaican or Indians - I'm not sure if they do?

In my experience I think the Afro-Carribeans would but I don't think it's the case with Asians (Muslims at least). Being half Spanish, I haven't received the same cr*p from my relatives in Spain as a kid as I've heard numerous 2G have in Ireland (Most of my father's relations - including three aunties - were based in the salubrious parts of your world, Junior, known as Moss Side and (later) Hulme, so it never came up). The things they'd comment on were my Spanish speaking etc., although one cousin used to call all of us (including my mother and aunt) 'Los Ingles' although this was not meant in a derogatory way. Also, all the Spanish that I know who were born in Britain of two Spanish parents (including a cousin of mine) were all registered at birth with the Spanish Embassy and not with the local registry office. Such action suggests to me that these parents never saw their children as British despite them being born in Britain.

**boysingreen** · 14/04/2005, 1:11 PM

In the same vein as the above, if your born of an Irish-born parent, doesn't matter where, you're an Irish citizen. Whether or not you proceed to get it documented is your parents choice, or yours when you get older.

And about Denis Leary, personally was never crazy about him. As a side note, do name's like "Leary" bother anybody else. Is it not O'Leary !