I was at the Wednesday game - Whelan was superb throughout, so composed for someone so young I just hope we can hang on to him.
didn't want to open up a new thread and potential wound .. but had to laugh reading this in the Guardian this morning. A quote from Roy Keane on Mick Mc Carthy
"some of the managers I've dealt with have been pure class - David Jones at Cardiff, George Burley, Mick McCarthy. Mick gave a good, honest account of our match up here. Steve Cotterill on Friday night."
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...069492,00.html
Last edited by macdermesser; 01/05/2007 at 9:27 AM.
There are some excellent managers in the Championship ok and I am delighted to see that quote, if it's true. I hope Wolves can make it to the play offs as I have high hopes for Andy Keogh. Derby, Soton, WBA (McShane apart), Stoke (Lawrence) don't excite any interest in me so I'll be routing for Woves.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
man of principle alright. working for quinny and now saying that mick is a great managerOriginally Posted by macdermesser
I'd be happy if Wolves, Preston or WBA got promoted. Don't want to see Derby and to a lesser extent Southampton in the Premiership next season. Keogh, Potter and Glesson could probably do with another season in the Championship though as I think the Premeriship at present will be a step too far for all three though Keogh might hold his place in a struggling Wolves team with no better options up front.
I do think though that McShane and St Ledger could do a job in the Premiership at present.
Keane did not say that McCarthy is a great manager, he mentioned that a number of managers including McCarthy gave a good account of themselves when their teams visited Sunderland.... your comment is a real case of not letting the true facts get in the way of spinning a story.man of principle alright. working for quinny and now saying that mick is a great manager
Guess we'll see more of this type of spinning by the Pro McCarthy camp who IMO always appear desparate to cling on to anything positive that Keane says about McCarthy.... still not surprised at the attempt at spining since the same people still insist that Keane walked out on Ireland when the reality is that McCarthy sent him home.
Some of the managers I have dealt with have been pure class - David Jones at Cardiff, George Burley, Mick McCarthy.
Yeah that's a scathing attack all right on McCarthy ain't it? What's your point? He said that McCarthy was pure class how do you know how he meant it? Are you Roy Keane?
I'm not in the pro Keane or McCarthy camp but your blind loyalty to Keane is baffling.
Btw he was sent home for being disruptive and seriously slating the manager in front of all the players. I'll try that in work today with my boss will I? I wonder would I be sent home? He also had numerous opportunites to come back which he never took which sickens me when I think I (and millions worldwide like me) would chew me right arm off to play for my country even in a friendly match nevermind the greatest sports competition in the world.
Last edited by youngirish; 01/05/2007 at 9:59 AM.
i'm neither pro-mcCarthy nor pro-keane. but i am most certainly anti-muppets who think that roy keane is the answer to all things football, the enigma, the true voice, the man of principle - who now works for niall quinn and says that mcCarthy is 'pure class'
Pot calling the kettle black methinks.
"some of the managers I've dealt with have been pure class - David Jones at Cardiff, George Burley, Mick McCarthy. Mick gave a good, honest account of our match up here. Steve Cotterill on Friday night."
It seems that Keane, having spoken to McCarthy on the phone prior to the game and had a drink with him after both games, is now more positive about him. He's been prepared to move on, so has Mick, yet others seem determined to take a totally polar take on them, even now.
I wonder if he even empathises a little now that he's on the other side of the fence. He's had to deal with players delaying the team bus, as Jack had to with him, would be interesting to see a senior squad member fly off the handle and give him stick in front of everyone. Now's your chance Kavo.
SIGNATURESCOPE
I guess there will be quite a few confused Keano nuts left in some kind of paradoxical wasteland of dogma.
Will we hear a few cries of Judas from them
That sounds very nice Roy.And some of the managers I've dealt with have been pure class - David Jones at Cardiff, George Burley, Mick McCarthy.
(1) Nothing to do with blind loyalty
(2) All I'm saying is that Keane did not say that "..McCarthy is a great manager.." but did refer to him (and others) as been first class to deal with.And I as I said earlier it's amazing how pro mCarthy people seem to jump of this as if it is some major revealation etc.
(3) In relation to your comment that he was sent home for slating the manager in front of the players. As usual a pro McCarthy comment that forgets to give the full context, ie McCarthy's major managerial blunder of choosing to berate Keane in front of his colleagues and accuse him of feigning injury etc. Indeed to use your own analogy in relation to your boss, would you think it acceptable for your boss to call a staff meeting and then to proceed to berate you and call you liar in front of your colleagues .... I somehow doubt it. So for me the error of Saipan lay with McCarthy in that he failed to act as a quality manager and through his mismanagement he alienated and ultimately sent home (arguably our best player) thus diminished our chance of winnning the World Cup.
(4) What numerous opportunities ?? all I can remember is the mismanagement of the FAI who mistimed the issuing of the statement from McCarthy with him flanked by his lackies Quinn, Staunton and Kelly saying Keane couldn't return and (again poor management) the comments from McCarthy saying publicly something to the effect that he was waiting by his phone for a call from Keane and an apology.
(5) and of course McCarthy is quoted as saying the following "... no doubt that whem I'm sat in a pub in Dublin supping pint of Guinness when I'm 60, someone will come up to me and say there's the plonker that sent Roy Keane home from the World Cup.." and you know he's right on that one.
I've no doubt that'll you have your own version of events and this will run for a long time
Why would anyone be suck in a wasteland of dogma. Very simple ,in Saipan McCarthy acted in a very stupid manner etc. 5 years on he has acted in a class manner and Keane has no problem acknowledging that . So different events , on one occasion McCarthy got it right and on the other he got it wrong, hope that's simple enough for you to follow and removes any confusion.I guess there will be quite a few confused Keano nuts left in some kind of paradoxical wasteland of dogma.
Will we hear a few cries of Judas from them
That sounds very nice Roy.
There's also an article in today's Daily Telegraph on Keane setting his sights high and how the Championship has opened his eyes to a lot of things:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...1/sfnsun01.xml
No mention of Maccer though.
Of course he's bound to have learned a lot. As a player, you have to think only about yourself. As a manager you have to see the bigger picture.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Difference is I doubt if Keane would call Kavo a liar etc in front of all the squad.I wonder if he even empathises a little now that he's on the other side of the fence. He's had to deal with players delaying the team bus, as Jack had to with him, would be interesting to see a senior squad member fly off the handle and give him stick in front of everyone. Now's your chance Kavo.
Of course he/both of them have moved on and good luck to them.... no doubt as long as anyone calls Keane a traitor or anyone says
McCarthy was wrong to send Keane home, then someone will defend/attack the commentamde. IMO this is as close (luckily for us) as our generation wil ever get to a civil war. Amongst my own good friends I'd say the split is approx 60% in favour of Keane with 30% pro McCarthy and the other 10% (the smart ones) laughing and winding us up.
Working for Quinn and complements for McCarthy - what odds would you have got for that a year ago?
Keane's attitude has changed as, at face value, both he and McCarthy appear to have moved on. It appears its only us who can't escape that bloody island of 5 years ago!!
They've more to worry about with their clubs rather than constantly re-visiting the rights and wrongs of what happened in Saipan 5 years ago.
It still begs the question - what enables them to get over it now that just couldn't be countenanced 5 years ago - Is it the letting go of stubborn pride, the passing of time or the expedience of not wanting the added pressure of a media circus every time Sunderland play Wolves?
Quoting years at random since 1975
It is like been stuck in a time warp, pro-Keane or pro-McCarthy. They Have moved on, we all have our own openion, so keep it to yourself and move on.
I am suprised that Keane has done so well at Sunderland and amazed with his performance in front of the media. This will count for nothing if he gets relaged next year or leaves the club in a huff!
McCarthy has done a good job with Wolves, but would probably be better off not getting promoted as the team is inexperienced and would benefit from another year fighting for promotion instead of religation. Keogh looks the business, it is a pity that he will miss the US trip.
You would if you read this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/She-Stood-Th...8032662&sr=8-1
I am sure they're a good club with their own history (Eastham, Matthews, Terry Conroy) but at the moment I don't any any interest in their progressing as they'll be straight back down again.
Calcio, Saipan has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards and no one is going to change their opinion at this stage. For the record, I am in a group of about 10 football supporters who meet regularly (including a Corkman) and all were anti-Keane. I had another friend with whom I went to Italia 90, USA 94 etc etc but he refused to follow Ireland anymore after Saipan. He was on the Keane side of the fence. The amusing thing now is he knows Andy Keogh personally and is hoping Wolves get promotedSo the wheel turns.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
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