QuoteWhatever the rights of wrongs of 'that can of worms' the way he went was undignified and shabby and not the right way to treat someone who, as you admit yourself, gave everything as a player and as a manager to Ireland.Originally Posted by Donal81
Remind us exactly of your contribution to Irish football that qualifies you to give such an educated and expert opinion!****e player, ****e manager, end of.
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
Whatever the rights of wrongs of 'that can of worms' the way he went was undignified and shabby and not the right way to treat someone who, as you admit yourself, gave everything as a player and as a manager to Ireland.
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
The way he went wasn't nice (booing in Lansdowne, Saipan, etc) but managers rarely leave a football team under a shower of praise, you know? His position was fairly untenable: he was responsible in some way for the exodus of our greatest player (not that Keano's hands were clean of responsibility, nor were the FAI's), the team were playing terrible football (Russia away, Switzerland at home). The whole Saipan account and the Genesis report brought up some fairly miserable details about his man-management as well as dealing with the incompetence of the FAI. With everything taken into account, I think he had to go.
Moreso, I don't think much could have been achieved had he stayed. The team was sick to the core from Saipan and it just needed a fresh start. Again, it wasn't all McCarthy's fault and he gets some unfair criticism from the same idiots who rush to shower Kerr with praise after a victory and kick him in the teeth after a draw. But it remains that the team couldn't go any further under McCarthy.
The whole thing - Saipan - was just a miserable farce. No one emerges from it with any real credit. It came down to McCarthy waiting for a simple phonecall from Keane who didn't even have to apologise, just say he wanted to come back, according to Niall Quinn. If that was the case, as Tom Humphries wrote, the whole thing was just silly anyway.
I take no pleasure in saying that McCarthy had to go as he gave us some great memories, brought in new players and ushered out the Charlton style of football, but I think that was the only end result.
Last edited by Donal81; 25/04/2005 at 6:33 PM.
Typical of your contribution to this message board.****e player, ****e manager, end of.
Anyone who has read any of your previous posts will know that you have about the same knowledge of football as the Norwich City chairwoman, and your manners is on a par with an agitated Eamon Dunphy.
"Love many, trust few, always paddle your own canoe." Dillo
I'm no fan of Mick McCarthy but don't know how anyone couldn't be impressed with way he essentially created a new team & took them from bottom of league to likely league winners.
Whoever was wishful thinking of Morrison going to Sunderland, like the way you think, and hope it comes about. It'd be great if he was the Andrew Johnson of next season (one of league's top scorers playing for a newly promoted team).
Except it could squeeze out Elliott. They also have Stewart, Brown & Kyle will be back...
I agree that nearly every manager has a sell by date but Mick's came too early - 2 matches in after having just qualified for the WC 2002. If the Keane debacle never happened Mick would have probably have gone of his own volition at the end of the last campaign and not with chants of "Keano" ringing in his ears at Lansdowne - although the counter chant of "Ireland" is seldom mentioned.
I just fret that Sunderland will struggle and Laughing Bill will prompt Dumpy to attack McCarthy on the Premiership and my blood will start to boil again.
Dumpy has been there at just about every crucial moment of my football supporter's life, either as a cr*p midfielder in the Irish team of the last 1960s, attacking Jack Charlton as he led us to our most successful period ever as a football nation, supporting the Kilcoynes as they sold Milltown, making scurrilous and personal remarks about McCarthy even before Saipan and of course Saipan.
I just won't watch the Premiership I suppose is the answer if Sunderland struggle.
Apparently The Sun is saying Sunderland could try & re-sign Kevin Phillips if S'hampton get relegated. This would be pretty crap.
Kavanagh and Wigan on their way to the Premiership, 2-0 up. Kav running midfield according to 5 live.
Apparently their owner has said he will spend £25m on new players for next season.
Ipswich, Derby, Preston and West Ham for the playoffs at the moment.
He's a legend. We need to fit him in in the first team somehow. At least he'll be there when Keane crys off at the next worldcup.
"I always likened him to a Rolls Royce. You just used him once a week & he'd be flawless"
Townsend on McGrath
You found a way to refer to Saipan in a post about Graham Kavanagh.
And to think I thought I had a chip on my shoulder regarding the evens of May 2002...
Delighted to see Kavanagh make it back to the big leagues. I was one who was questioning Kerr's decision to play him at all. It seems, however, that Kerr was aright and Kav has a lot to offer the national team. Delighted I was wrong!
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Before you start dipensing marks, wait until he plays a few decent games in the premiership next season, its at a whole different ball game.
Yeah, and the less said about that the better.
Marcus Stewart is being released by Sunderland. Good news for Elliott, and maybe Clinton?
But I've just read that Sean Thornton is on the transfer list.
Yeah Thorntons on his way out, there was speculation in January about Everton being interested in him.. Hopefully he gets a move to the premiership anyway..
Yeah, it'd be a shame if Thornton had to stay in The Championship.
The Telegraph is saying that McCarthy is interested in signing Delap & Clinton Morrison, among others.
no surprises about Clinton, although Delap is an odd one. Not playing particularly well in a rubbish Southampton side. He was regularly picked by Mick but more often than not stayed on the bench.
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