Given and penalties

[tricky_colour]

I think I remember that as I was there As you well know I was talking about other than in peno shoot outs.

I agree that it is nonsense not to practice penos. Then why bother practicising free kicks or anything either since they are all different in the hot house pressure of a game ?

Thats just it isnt it, why go golfers and snooker players spend hour after
hour practicing.

As for a 'top-player' scuffing his shot, well I guess he was too good to practice.
Yes everyone makes mistakes but practice helps minimise them.

[padjoe]

david seaman has a system for penalty shoot outs he used to go the same way three times. Schmeichel had a similar system. my own system is different. i watch the kickers eyes as he places the ball, then i wait and wait on the line and once he foot is within a millimetre of the ball i go. if the ball is a good height i have it.its all down to good reaction times and remembering the presure is on the kicker. i myself have a pretty good record from the spot kicks didnt concede for five years then it was broken and had a bad patch. very hard maybe if given just waited or developed a system he'd stop a penalty. i notice he leans to much on one leg when he stands for a penalty and hence he goes the wrong way. best penalty stopper in premiership at moment is jens lehman.

[tricky_colour]

Who's your money on if Liverpool - AC Milan goes to penalties?

Unpractised Liverpool have alreasy almost had one saved!!

Great comeback by LIverpool, I stopped watching at half-time as I though
game over (had radio on though).

Hope Liverpol go on to win, Finnan off bye the way and Liverpool grab 3!!

[padjoe]

Who's your money on if Liverpool - AC Milan goes to penalties?

Unpractised Liverpool have alreasy almost had one saved!!

Great comeback by LIverpool, I stopped watching at half-time as I though
game over (had radio on though).

Hope Liverpol go on to win, Finnan off bye the way and Liverpool grab 3!!

dudek is better than the milan keeper at penalties

[tricky_colour]

Of course there is probably one undisputable fact about practising
penalties and that is you might find out you are absolutely useless at
them and hence realise that playing for a draw is pointless.

Not much point finding out you can't take penalties when your in front of
a 50.000 crowd

[tricky_colour]

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Q...&hl=en&start=1


Milan beat Juventus by penalties in the Champions League final two years ago after a very even game.

"I think the game against Liverpool will be more or less in the same line as that against Juve," admitted Ancelotti.

"It wouldn't surprise me if we had to go to the penalty shoot-out.

"And for this there is little you can do in terms of preparation even though we do practise penalties during training.

"But in a game, and especially in a final, it all has to be down to psychology and the conditions you face, so it's by no means easy."
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I wonder what will happen if it goes to a shoot out?

Can you imagine Benitez saying after extra time

"Right lads how many of you have ever taken a penalty before?"


Of course Liverpool will probably win on penalties anyway and me look stupid in which case I would be delighted!

[tricky_colour]

LOL Liverpool 2 milan 0

[tricky_colour]

Liverpool win European cup on unpractised penalties

[Eirambler]

Liverpool win European cup on unpractised penalties

So, will ya shut up about practising them now, good man

I think Given could take a lot from Dudek's efforts tonight, it was legendary stuff and it definitely had an effect on the Milan players facing him

[Donal81]

Those Milan players had lost their bottle anyway. There was no conviction in the penalties they missed, it was as if they'd given up and accepted that Liverpool were the jammiest team in the universe. Fair play to the Pool.

[NeilMcD]

So, will ya shut up about practising them now, good man

I think Given could take a lot from Dudek's efforts tonight, it was legendary stuff and it definitely had an effect on the Milan players facing him

I think you are right Given should learn to cheat just like Dudek did and hope that the ref is not doing his job.

[ciarj]

But was Dudek cheating? Time for someone to dig up the rulebook here.

On another note, both penalty shootout winners in the last week (Arsenal and Liverpool) won their shootouts because they were the more positive side. United were ****ed at the weekend to be in that situation, as they had missed a few sitters. Same goes for Milan yesterday. Arsenal and Liverpool were delighted for the opportunity to tuck 5 away, and they duly obliged.

Since any professional worth his 10,000+ a week should be physically capable of sticking the ball in whatever corner he wants from 12 yards, it all comes down to psychology.

So I'd agree with manager's like Benitez and McCarthy when they say "I'll give the penos to whoever sticks his hand up". But I disagree that practicing penos is wasting time. Every squad player should know exactly where he's going to put it before the match starts. Then, the 5 most confident can sign up for the penos.

[NeilMcD]

The Keepr must stay on his line during the penalty shoot out before the ball is kicked by the attacking player. Dudek cleary encroached at leat 2 times.

[OwlsFan]

The Keepr must stay on his line during the penalty shoot out before the ball is kicked by the attacking player. Dudek cleary encroached at leat 2 times.

Yes, Dudek came off his line to save the 1st one. Not sure about the second. This is illegal.

The AC Milan players were beaten before they took them. They looked so down hearted. Maybe they should play practice matches, deliberately lose a 3 goal lead and then take penos

I'd say peno shoot outs are 40% technique, 40% psycological and 10% practice and 10% luck.

[Dotsy]

The Keepr must stay on his line during the penalty shoot out before the ball is kicked by the attacking player. Dudek cleary encroached at leat 2 times.

Happens all the time, always has done always will. If a keeper doesn't try to advance a few yards off his line more fool him. Are you absolutley sure that Dida stayed routed to his line until every Liverpool penalty taker had struck the ball. I thought the way Dudek made a point of walking up to each Milan player and handing him the ball was class. Not sure if it made any difference but who knows.

[NeilMcD]

It was more blatant for Pirlo's one I woudl have thought, he was nearly at his six yard one for that by the time he saved it. What was the ref doing , he only has one simple job to do and he should have had re takes on at least 2 penalties for Milan

[NeilMcD]

Happens all the time, always has done always will. If a keeper doesn't try to advance a few yards off his line more fool him. Are you absolutley sure that Dida stayed routed to his line until every Liverpool penalty taker had struck the ball. I thought the way Dudek made a point of walking up to each Milan player and handing him the ball was class. Not sure if it made any difference but who knows.

I noticed that, and it is frustrating for a player for the keeper to be in your face, again the ref should be giving the ball to the player rather than the keeper. I did not notice Dida coming off his line. I could not say for a fact that he didnt, but the one he saved from Riise he dove across his goal rather than encroaching. I think that Given should go the route of Dudek but it does not make it right that cheating can win you the European Cup.

[Dotsy]

I noticed that, and it is frustrating for a player for the keeper to be in your face, again the ref should be giving the ball to the player rather than the keeper. I did not notice Dida coming off his line. I could not say for a fact that he didnt, but the one he saved from Riise he dove across his goal rather than encroaching. I think that Given should go the route of Dudek but it does not make it right that cheating can win you the European Cup.

To be honest Neil I don't really see it as cheating. I will admit it's against the rules of the game but so is any form of fouling an opposition player and how many times does that happen in a match and the perpetrators aren't labelled cheats. You take your punishment and get on with the game. It's up to the ref to make the call.

What I would regard as cheating is players feigning injury and diving with the sole purpose of getting a free or worse conning the ref into sending off a player.

[NeilMcD]

Anytime you purposely break the rules it is cheating. What you haev said are forms of cheating but you cant include some and disregard others to suit your views.

[Dotsy]

Anytime you purposely break the rules it is cheating. What you haev said are forms of cheating but you cant include some and disregard others to suit your views.

Gattuso fouled Gerrard to concede a penalty last night. I don't accept that most people would call him a cheat. He broke the rules and his team was punished. If Dudek broke the rules last night it was up to the ref to punish him and I wouldn't have had a problem if he had ordered a retake or booked him.

I would maintain that in football labelling someone a cheat is reserved for someone who tries to con the ref. Dudek didn't try to con the ref IMO, he did what most keepers do when facing a penalty and didn't try to disguise the fact.